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So, this hole is 507 yards and I think an interesting Par 5.

The graph is a crude sketch with the distances and different places where the slope of the course relative to the tee box as close as I could get it to scale.  How would you play this hole.

1st shot.  I hit my driver b/w 230-260 yards and because of the 10 or so yard drop from the tee box, I can usually get it out there b/w 240-270 yards which puts me around where the trees begin.  B/c the hole slopes on the left from left to right, I try and hit it to the left and let it roll to the flat on the right down the middle.

2nd shot.  Presuming I hit a 250 yard drive, 190 or so yards clears the fairway bunkers but 215 puts the greenside bunkers in play.  Because it's uphill, I probably don't have to worry too much about rollout.  If I hit my 3W well, it goes 230 yards and if I hit my 5W well, it goes about 200.  However, I often don't hit them well.  My 4H I rarely hit well but when I do, it goes 180 yards or so which would probably be the best play if I knew how to hit it.  However, because I don't, and until I learn how to not top the ball with regularity with my woods off the deck, I probably would be best suited to hit a 5i which I hit about 170 if I strike it well which means I don't have to worry about them.

3rd shot.  If I hit my shot then I've advanced the ball 420 yards and that leaves 65 yards to the front of the green and 100 yards to the back I'd probably be best suited to do a 3/4 SW to try and get the ball to roughly the center of the green (around 80 yards).

How would you play it?!

Christian

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So this is about a 450 yd par 5? I guess that little circle on the south side of the cart path is my tee? I'll hit my driver off the tee and it will land just about 20 ft on the tee side of the single tree on the left side of the fairway just before the woods. This is not my best drive. It is because there is a tree there. The angle I have gives me a very tempting shot under the tree with my 3 hybrid or 5W if I play the ball back to the center of my stance so as to keep the flight of the ball under the branches. My good sense tells me to hit a knock down out into the middle of the fairway with my PW, but not having any good sense I try the shot and it ricochets off the tree ending up somewhere in the bramble triangle to the left. After seeing that the area is full of blackberry bushes I declare my ball lost, and since none of us in my foursome are going to brave that mess, I take stroke and distance and hit the knock down onto the fairway like I should have done in the first place. My next shot I hit thin, hook, and land in the fairway bunker but it is going so fast that it actually rolls out onto the grass on the other side (yes, I've had this happen). I'm in the rough with either a 9 iron or wedge shot onto the green. I hit the ball onto the green and three putt for a 9. At this point I reach into my bag and light a cigarette. I par the next hole.

Now you know why I have a 24 handicap.

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So this is about a 450 yd par 5? I guess that little circle on the south side of the cart path is my tee? I'll hit my driver off the tee and it will land just about 20 ft on the tee side of the single tree on the left side of the fairway just before the woods. This is not my best drive. It is because there is a tree there. The angle I have gives me a very tempting shot under the tree with my 3 hybrid or 5W if I play the ball back to the center of my stance so as to keep the flight of the ball under the branches. My good sense tells me to hit a knock down out into the middle of the fairway with my PW, but not having any good sense I try the shot and it ricochets off the tree ending up somewhere in the bramble triangle to the left. After seeing that the area is full of blackberry bushes I declare my ball lost, and since none of us in my foursome are going to brave that mess, I take stroke and distance and hit the knock down onto the fairway like I should have done in the first place. My next shot I hit thin, hook, and land in the fairway bunker but it is going so fast that it actually rolls out onto the grass on the other side (yes, I've had this happen). I'm in the rough with either a 9 iron or wedge shot onto the green. I hit the ball onto the green and three putt for a 9. At this point I reach into my bag and light a cigarette. I par the next hole.

Second post in this thread and going to be hard pressed to not be the best one in the thread. :dance::-$

Christian

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If you can't reach the green with your second shot, you want to get as close as possible to the green side bunkers without going in.  Your up and down chances from rough or fairway are better than from a bunker (for most of us). So that is the best approach.  Don't worry about "not hitting 5W, 4H etc." well.  You will not get better at those shots unless you try them on the course.

Let go of the fear.  Focus on the ball and the shot and execute.  Don't think, play.

Scott

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For me I would hit a very easy Driver to get it close to the choke point in the fairway. Then I would take a hybrid and try to get the ball to the front right area of the green. Somewhere between 10-20 yards short would be typical.

Yea, my typical par 5 strategy is hit is as far as I can taking into account big penalty areas (trees, hazards, OB, Bunkers). Then I try to get the ball as close to the green as possible with similar strategy. That green in the image is pretty guarded. Bunkers basically act as a hazard for most amateurs. I don't feel accurate enough with a long iron to hybrid to challenge that green. I would error on the side of just short.

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If you can't reach the green with your second shot, you want to get as close as possible to the green side bunkers without going in.  Your up and down chances from rough or fairway are better than from a bunker (for most of us). So that is the best approach.  Don't worry about "not hitting 5W, 4H etc." well.  You will not get better at those shots unless you try them on the course.

Let go of the fear.  Focus on the ball and the shot and execute.  Don't think, play.

Oh, trust me, on more than one occasion I've, "let go of the fear," and just played and I've come to the conclusion that, at least with my hybrid, it never works out.  I'll chunk it, I'll top it, I'll spray it left, and spray it right.  So, until I learn how to at least hit the thing, I think erring on the side of playing a 5i isn't a bad play.  With my 3W, it works on occasion but for some reason, I have way more confidence in my 5W than either the 3W or 4H.  I think getting better at those shots is learning to hit the ball.

I've played this hole roughly 10 times and the best I've ever done is 2 over and I think that happened twice.  I've put up a lot of 9's on this hole by not playing it conservatively.  For me, I think the 5i has it go further without penalizing myself.

@boogielicious , you didn't share how you'd play the hole, though.

Christian

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I'm struggling a bit to understand the exact yardages, but it looks like about 210 or so to where the two golfers are.  That's my aim point with a hybrid off the tee.  Just too much risk to hitting it any further......get blocked and bogey (or worse) comes into play, which just can't happen on a relatively short par-5.  Then, again depending on the actual carry, either 3-wood past the two bunkers, or another hybrid between, but just short of them.  Some kind of gap/sand wedge pitch into the green.

Looks like the only way you really get into trouble here is by trying to get more out of it than you need to.  I don't reach too many 510 par-5's anyway, so I'll take a comfortable GIR and kick in pars all day long.

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agreed David in FL, hit drive 230-250 off the tee, next hit a well placed hybrid or rescue in the 180-200 yard range- this is the key shot. next attack pin with a wedge. And hope for a decent birdie putt. All shots will take danger out of the equation
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Driver, lay up to 100-110 yards, full wedge in.

I play every par 5 like this that I cannot reach, which is any par 5 over 485 yards.  The risk for a full fairway wood into that sort of par 5, versus the reward rule out this shot in my mind.  And I've tried the knock down or half lob wedge from 65 yards and I'm not good enough with it to have enough confidence in it to do it all the time.  It's just easier to play the percentages and have the full gap wedge in from 100-110 and take my chances that way.

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I've straightened out my driver during this winter, but if I'm playing my slice/fade like I was all of summer/fall....then

210 yard drive, 180 yard 5w probably into the right fairway bunker, 9 iron out of the bunker super clean, it drops for eagle.

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The two white spots look about 250 to me based on your comments. Shot 1 : I would hit a 3 wood off the tee short of the trees about 240 out. Don't want trees on right to block 2nd shot. Shot 2 : 3 wood drawing inside right fairway bunker. Green sets up well to receive rollout from a draw. Room on the right for a miss. I'm a good bunker player so unless these are caverns, I'd rather play the bunker shot than the wedge. Based on the tree shadows, the bunkers don't look deep. If the pin is on the right of the green, I wouldn't want to short side my second shot, so I may lay up and wedge it in. Shot 3 : Either a putt or a SW Tricky part on this hole is leaving an unblocked tee shot. A stray tee shot would leave a layup, possibly even short of the fairway bunkers.

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If you can't reach the green with your second shot, you want to get as close as possible to the green side bunkers without going in.  Your up and down chances from rough or fairway are better than from a bunker (for most of us). So that is the best approach.  Don't worry about "not hitting 5W, 4H etc." well.  You will not get better at those shots unless you try them on the course.

Let go of the fear.  Focus on the ball and the shot and execute.  Don't think, play.

Oh, trust me, on more than one occasion I've, "let go of the fear," and just played and I've come to the conclusion that, at least with my hybrid, it never works out.  I'll chunk it, I'll top it, I'll spray it left, and spray it right.  So, until I learn how to at least hit the thing, I think erring on the side of playing a 5i isn't a bad play.  With my 3W, it works on occasion but for some reason, I have way more confidence in my 5W than either the 3W or 4H.  I think getting better at those shots is learning to hit the ball.

I've played this hole roughly 10 times and the best I've ever done is 2 over and I think that happened twice.  I've put up a lot of 9's on this hole by not playing it conservatively.  For me, I think the 5i has it go further without penalizing myself.

@boogielicious, you didn't share how you'd play the hole, though.

Driver, then 3 or 5W depending on the driver result.  I want to be just short of the green side bunkers.

Scott

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I agree there is absolutely no chance of competing with post # 2 (it is also painfully close to some of my exploits)!

I would hit driver or 3W off the tee depending on how the gap between the two last single trees looked to me. I would expect to end up about where the two golfers are or a little past--215-230 off the tee. Assuming good position off the tee, second would be a 5W with a draw off the right fw bunker hopefully ending up left of and past the bunker leaving a 3/4 pitching wedge to the green. Then in the spirit of post #2, a three putt bogey.  Or a four putt double.

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The two white spots look about 250 to me based on your comments.

Shot 1 : I would hit a 3 wood off the tee short of the trees about 240 out. Don't want trees on right to block 2nd shot.

Shot 2 : 3 wood drawing inside right fairway bunker. Green sets up well to receive rollout from a draw. Room on the right for a miss.

I'm a good bunker player so unless these are caverns, I'd rather play the bunker shot than the wedge. Based on the tree shadows, the bunkers don't look deep.

If the pin is on the right of the green, I wouldn't want to short side my second shot, so I may lay up and wedge it in.

Shot 3 : Either a putt or a SW

Tricky part on this hole is leaving an unblocked tee shot. A stray tee shot would leave a layup, possibly even short of the fairway bunkers.

The two white spots are 235 or so yards out.

Christian

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Okay,

1st-Driver-senior tees-I hit a 180 yard drive once, to right side of fairway, more than likely behind the large clump of trees on the right

2nd-aim for the large clump of trees on the left, 3 wood, fades to the right side of the fairway, right rough possibly across the cart path into the small clump of trees

3rd-Punch out from under the trees, 4-5-or 6 iron depending on the distance to the green, short of the green and BAM, I'm in the fairway

4th-bump and run, comes up short of the hole but I'm on the green

5th-6th- two putt for bogey, smiling cause it could be worse

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I've only started hitting driver again within the past month so I don't have enough seat time to know for sure how consistently I can aim it under pressure, but I'm about the same distances as you and would do the same as you, I think: driver 250, 5-wood / 4 hybrid 200ish as close to the green as I can get, and figure it out from there based on distance and lie. If I managed to get a really long drive and terrific lie, I would consider going for it with 3 wood, but that would really be circumstance and friskiness-level dependent.

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If my current form is any indicator,

I'll hit a nice 3 wood into the fairway,

Hit a nice 6 or 7i further down the fairway

Miss the wedge left or long, struggle for par or easy bogey.

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I would hit something low between the first two ball shaped trees then punch it up to the big landing area between the bunkers and deal with whatever is left to get it on the green. We have some short par 5's here that the distance makes people think it's a two shot hole but the risk outweighs the reward. The trees on the fairway are the trouble here IMO. To be able to minimize the bunker risk you have to hit two great shots, the bomb drive that avoids trees and the perfect approach. Not worth it.

Dave :-)

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