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  1. 1. Use the Tee it forward yardages or the ones from the article?

    • Tee it forward, of course!
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    • The article analyzes the distances quite well, I'd play 28 times my driver distance
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A discussion in another thread got me thinking about what distance should we actually play from? This article seems to have covered it in terms of percentage of driver distance.

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Driver x 28 Computation

Par Difficulty Club Selection % of Driver # per Round Total % of Driver
3 short 9 iron 0.5 1 0.5
3 medium 6 iron 0.67 2 1.34
3 long 3 iron 0.74 1 0.74
4 short driver + 9 iron 1.5 3 4.5
4 medium driver + 6 iron 1.64 4 6.56
4 long driver + 3 iron 1.74 3 5.22
5 short driver + 3 fairway 1.88 1 1.88
5 medium driver + 3 fairway + PW 2.37 2 4.74
5 long driver + 3 fairway + 6ir 2.52 1 2.52
total 18 28
Examples:
Driving Distance 150 175 200 225 250 275
Course Distance

4200

4900 5600 6300 7000 7700

- See more at: http://www.milesofgolf.com/blog/golf-randoms/which-tees-should-you-play/#sthash.UGi1CDs8.dpuf

Tee it forward seems to have some factor other than 28 in mind:

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TEE IT FORWARD

This chart is a guideline to help golfers align their average driving distance with the course length best suited to their abilities.

Driver Distance

Recommended 18-Hole Yardages

275 6,700-6,900

250 6,200-6,400

225 5,800-6,000

200 5,200-5,400

175 4,400-4,600

150 3,500-3,700

125 2,800-3,000

100 2,100-2,300

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At age 60 I started losing distance, and last season at age 64, I started playing senor tees more regularly, all though not exclusively. Now that I am driving it 220-230, the Tee it Forward yardage is a lot more fun. The "Driver x 28 Computation" of 6300 yards for my driving distance is doable, but definitely more challenging. I probably will split the year, playing 60% teeing it at the shorter distance.

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I find this fascinating.

I like the idea of "playing it forward" but we do not have that option here.

You play off the men's tees and that's it.

And - to flog a dead horse - this is why I pay no attention to the threads about scoring, because if you can choose tees where you have a mid or short iron to all the par 4s and have par 5s reachable in 2, it 's going to reduce your score by 10.

On the courses I play, there are several par 4s that 90% of players could NEVER reach in 2.

I can think of three or 4 courses that I play and I would say that on each of them, there would be an average of 4 par 4s that the average player (Not a young, super strong player, just average 15 to 20 markers) has never ever hit in regulation. These holes are just too long.

And.......if you have a scenario where you bump the tees 50 yards forwards, you suddenly have 90 shooters breaking 80 and the whole "apples ain't apples" argument starts again.

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I find this fascinating.

I like the idea of "playing it forward" but we do not have that option here.

You play off the men's tees and that's it.

And - to flog a dead horse - this is why I pay no attention to the threads about scoring, because if you can choose tees where you have a mid or short iron to all the par 4s and have par 5s reachable in 2, it 's going to reduce your score by 10.

On the courses I play, there are several par 4s that 90% of players could NEVER reach in 2.

I can think of three or 4 courses that I play and I would say that on each of them, there would be an average of 4 par 4s that the average player (Not a young, super strong player, just average 15 to 20 markers) has never ever hit in regulation. These holes are just too long.

And.......if you have a scenario where you bump the tees 50 yards forwards, you suddenly have 90 shooters breaking 80 and the whole "apples ain't apples" argument starts again.


Good points. I think handicaps are designed to remedy this problem because they take the course and tees you play into account.

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Other factors include how firm the course is, and how tight it is.

Years ago, I was a Marine reservist in Oklahoma near Ft. Sill army base. So, I was eligible to play golf courses on base.

The Ft. Sill Golf Club was a tight, softer course of about 6,250 yards from the whites with many tall trees along the fairways. The Cedar Creek course was more open course with firmer soil that measured about 6,700 yards from the blues.

I often broke 90 at the longer Cedar Creek course, but rarely broke 90 at the shorter Ft. Sill course.

Also, the number of forced carries over hazards help determine how tough a course is for shorter hitters.

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Good points. I think handicaps are designed to remedy this problem because they take the course and tees you play into account.


They do and they don't.

Some courses that may actually play 10 shots harder than others only slope about 3 shots harder.

I was a member of a club where visitors came and couldn't get within 10 of their handicap. I'm talking about guys who played off single figures.

Someone on this site who calls himself a "70s shooter" could possibly never have come within a sniff of breaking 80 on normal courses from, back tees which I am forced to play from every single round.

In Australia, you have the back tees which are only used in medal play, but usually you're only talking about a difference of a few metres on the majority of holes.

When I see the "social tees"  (for non members, casual players) 50 to 100 metres forward, I can visual the difference and it seems to be the option that a lot of U.S. players have. Not the same game. Probably more fun, though.

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I fit approximately into the 225 yard drive average and as a rule of thumb will play the white (men's) tees and find I can get along fine.  There are so many factors other than distance that define the difficulty of a course including driving downhill or facing a 500 yard par 5 that plays like 650 heading uphill.  My regular course is 5611 from the whites but due to the layout has a fairly high slope of 131 along with a modest difficulty of 67.6 - plenty for the average golfer to handle.  That being said I chose the "Tee it Forward" option assuming the course is relatively flat.

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I usually try to play from the tees that will allow me to have a reasonable chance at reaching all holes in regulation. While this sounds good in theory it doesn't always work out that way. A lot depends on my back condition on any given day. My home course has three sets of tees where I play the middle white tees that measure just under 6200 yards. On an average day I hit my driver anywhere between 200 and 250 yards.

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They do and they don't.

Some courses that may actually play 10 shots harder than others only slope about 3 shots harder.

I was a member of a club where visitors came and couldn't get within 10 of their handicap. I'm talking about guys who played off single figures.

Someone on this site who calls himself a "70s shooter" could possibly never have come within a sniff of breaking 80 on normal courses from, back tees which I am forced to play from every single round.

In Australia, you have the back tees which are only used in medal play, but usually you're only talking about a difference of a few metres on the majority of holes.

When I see the "social tees"  (for non members, casual players) 50 to 100 metres forward, I can visual the difference and it seems to be the option that a lot of U.S. players have. Not the same game. Probably more fun, though.

It is. 5800 yards is much more fun to play than 7400 yards.

Do you use the same course rating system in Australia?

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The Tee It Forward distances seem very short to me. Especially for some women. At first that is. My wife, for example, only hits her driver about 140 yard although she is improving. Still not too bad given that she is 62. According to TIF she should play from around 3400 yards. Our forward tees are at 5000 yards and of course she has no chance of reaching most holes in regulation. Even the x28 figure would be right around 3900.

I'm going to discuss this with her and see what she thinks. I think I'll run some numbers by our pro as well. I know they're trying to increase the number of ladies that play so this might be of interest to him.

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I'll have a better sense when I get a some data from my Game Golf, however, from what I have gathered, that would put me on tees that play 7000 yards and I could only imagine what I'd score from those since I put up monster numbers on the middle/men/white tees.

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I didn't vote......

I can appreciate what the article is trying to achieve, but I am more in the belief that skill level should be the single biggest factor when choosing tees and not driver distance.  Driver distance matters, but this shouldn't be the key criteria.

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I think they both make perfect sense depending on how you calculate your drives. I think 6600-7000 is fun, anything less is short and anything longer becomes a bit tedious. If I used my actual true average, then the "times 28" chart tells me to play 7k courses and if I use my solid drive distance (ignoring the mishits), the TIF chart tells me to play 6700-6900.
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It is. 5800 yards is much more fun to play than 7400 yards.

Do you use the same course rating system in Australia?


You don't have course ratings for tees that differ by that much.

Like I said, the slope may account for a couple of strokes. 126 v 125

If you play a course where the average player is hitting hybrids or fairway woods to 8 of 10 par 4s (and expecting to come up short) and give him the option of playing where he he is hitting 7 and 9 irons into greens it is a different game.

People who think they regularly break 80 by playing it forward may occasionally (but rarely)  break 90 if they came and played the average course here.

Like I said before, when I think of all the courses in my area  - about 10, there wouldn't be one where the average player could expect to hit more than 3 par 4s in regulation unless he was a REALLY big hitter. Most courses have at least one par three where most guys have to hit driver or perhaps three wood if they are a big hitter. We don't typically have a lot of run on our fairways. Move the tees up 80 yards and of course you would expect to hit every one over a period of a few games.

When I have gone to play courses in country towns socially (probably like your typical "muni")  and played a par or sub par round from the easy tees it is not because I am a great player but because I am very proficient at not missing greens from 100 yards out.

This why I hate the "How long before you shot X" threads.

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These measurements are in metres.

For example:

On this course, hole 13 plays as a par 4 with the tees back in championship conditions. That's close to a 500 yard par 4.

Number 3 is a 230 yard par 3.

Number 4 plays a s a par 4 in championship conditions . - Close to 450 yards. Uphill.

This  is a short course, BTW, under 6780 yards.

And there are folk on this site who think that par 70 courses are easier than par 72s.

They'd love to play 500 yard par 4s. :-)

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[URL=http://thesandtrap.com/content/type/61/id/116639/] [/URL] These measurements are in metres. For example: On this course, hole 13 plays as a par 4 with the tees back in championship conditions. That's close to a 500 yard par 4. Number 3 is a 230 yard par 3. Number 4 plays a s a par 4 in championship conditions . - Close to 450 yards. Uphill. This  is a short course, BTW, under 6780 yards. And there are folk on this site who think that par 70 courses are easier than par 72s. They'd love to play 500 yard par 4s. :-)

The course you listed looks reasonable, except the two short par 5 conversions to a par 4. Even so, one or two really long holes is not horrible. I try to reach 510 yard par 5 driver/ 3W.

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These measurements are in metres.

For example:

On this course, hole 13 plays as a par 4 with the tees back in championship conditions. That's close to a 500 yard par 4.

Number 3 is a 230 yard par 3.

Number 4 plays a s a par 4 in championship conditions . - Close to 450 yards. Uphill.

This  is a short course, BTW, under 6780 yards.

And there are folk on this site who think that par 70 courses are easier than par 72s.

They'd love to play 500 yard par 4s. :-)

Yawn. The back tees here have my attention: http://cdn.cybergolf.com/images/928/Colorado-National-4-14.pdf

6800 yard course isn't that big of a deal, really, Shorty. Yes, a lot of people don't have the distance for that, but so what?

You make it sound like you're playing PGA tour distances there. I would venture a guess and say that the majority of scratch/low single digit golfers in the USA play from tees that are between 6800-7200 yards. The course I normally play at has a par 3 that plays 200 yards from the whites - which are the furthest forward "men's tees." 230 yards isn't that big of a difference.

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6800 yard course isn't that big of a deal, really, Shorty. Yes, a lot of people don't have the distance for that, but so what?

You make it sound like you're playing PGA tour distances there.

You obviously missed this bit, so I'll repeat it for you.

This  is a short course, BTW, under 6780 yards.

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