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The guys in the office are the 8 - 12 handicappers who are complete equipment snobs. My index floated up a little this year but I typically hold the bragging rights in the office for golf. These guys buy new drivers + every year, I keep telling them that it really doesn't make that big of a difference it's more the archer then the arrow. They bag on Wilsons so I am committed to playing Wilson balls this year... so two questions:

1.) How much does a ball really make a difference? I know they do but when you reach a certain level let's say the Bridgestone E series how much more return do you really see after that?

2.) Anyone play the Wilson Duo? Any good?

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The guys in the office are the 8 - 12 handicappers who are complete equipment snobs. My index floated up a little this year but I typically hold the bragging rights in the office for golf. These guys buy new drivers + every year, I keep telling them that it really doesn't make that big of a difference it's more the archer then the arrow. They bag on Wilsons so I am committed to playing Wilson balls this year... so two questions:

1.) How much does a ball really make a difference? I know they do but when you reach a certain level let's say the Bridgestone E series how much more return do you really see after that?

2.) Anyone play the Wilson Duo? Any good?

I like the low compression balls in the winter but they lose distance in  normal temps if you have 100+ clubhead speed. I've hit them with impact tape at normal temps with the driver and the impression is the full size of the ball. You lose ball speed if the ball can't snap back into shape fast enough. If you want a good ball without a big name you might want to try Srixon Z star or Z star tour.

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My club head speed is on the higher end around 108-112 consistently but like many I struggle with the occasional hook. Is there a ball that would be best for helping keep tee shots straighter in general? I heard good things about the Bridgestone E6.

To tell you the truth I haven't worried about balls that much over the year and played anything really. But the more I read about it the more I am hearing it can make a difference.

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1.) How much does a ball really make a difference? I know they do but when you reach a certain level let's say the Bridgestone E series how much more return do you really see after that?

2.) Anyone play the Wilson Duo? Any good?

First, Golf balls can make a difference if you are comparing premium versus non-premium. Mostly it's the cover. Urethane grips the clubface more and produces more spin on short game shots and has superior feel compared to other synthetic covers. In terms of driver performance, most golf balls perform the same.

Most premium golf balls from the big name companies perform nearly the same. The reason being they are marketing to a more defined group of players who tend to seek the same thing in a golf ball.

The non-premium golf balls have a wide range of performance, some to the pinnacle distance golf ball. To the Bridgestone E-series which might be more inline with trying to add some premium golf ball functionality to a less expensive golf ball.

Second, I've never played a Wilson golf ball.

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With your swing speed, other than the premium ball (Wilson FG Tour), the one Wilson ball you should really try is this:

http://www.rockbottomgolf.com/wilson-golf-staff-c-25-crossover-golf-balls-1-dozen.html

The C:25 is a discontinued model, on clearance, that was never big marketing success, but has gotten very good reviews from those who tried it.  When Wilson discontinued the original 3-piece ZIP, they introduced this as it's replacement, before bringing back the ZIP as a lower priced 2-piece. It doesn't have as low compression as the other popular Wilson Staff balls (Duo, Zip, 50 elite), and was meant as the mid-range ball in their lineup for higher swing speed players who didn't want such low compression. With the success of the low compression balls, I don't think they put much into marketing this one, and it maybe got a bit lost in the shuffle.  Maybe hurt as well by the goofy name.

Now it has essentially been replaced by the Duo Spin, a similar 3-piece design, probably with lower compression, but taking advantage of the success of the "Duo" brand.

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I have played the Wilson Duo. It is a soft ball. I play a lot of vintage equipment meaning persimmon and laminated maple drivers and fairways, and the softer compressions work well with those. Last season I used the Titleist DT Solo, the Wilson Duo, and the Callaway Supersoft, and that is probably about my order of preference, though the preference is not strong between these 3. The Duo feels the softest to me of the three; if you like a soft feel off the putter it is especially noticeable. I think I get a tad more distance of the tee (with persimmon) with the Solo and Supersoft.

I love the Bridgestone 330 series-the B330 off titanium and the RX/S off metal or wood. I have never warmed up to the E-series, but many have.

I like the Duo with persimmon/laminate; I haven't played it with titanium. Like others mentioned, I have heard good things about the Wilson FG Tour.

I could use the Titleist DT Solo for 99% of my play; on the rare occasion I think I "need" a premium ball, I have a very slight preference for the Bridgestone 330 series over the ProV series.

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Driver: PING 410 Plus 9 degrees, Alta CB55 S  Fairway: Callaway Rogue 3W PX Even Flow Blue 6.0; Hybrid: Titleist 818H1 21* PX Even Flow Blue 6.0;  Irons: Titleist 718 AP1 5-W2(53*) Shafts- TT AMT Red S300 ; Wedges Vokey SM8 56-10D Putter: Scotty Cameron 2016 Newport 2.5  Ball: Titleist AVX or 2021 ProV1

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I played the Wilson Duo last year for a bit, along with the Callaway Supersoft and Bridgestone E6. My ball of choice ended up being the Callaway Hex Chrome for control around the green. Yeah, a bit more curve to the long shots, but I like the way the approach shots would stick.

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  • 4 weeks later...
I've played the Duo,since last year and have good results with it. I've tried against the E6 this year and I like the Duo better I get basically the same results with the driver it is around the green I like the Duo better.

DRIVER- Tour Edge EXS 220
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Hybrids- Cobra F8 19 *

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Irons - Sub 70 739 5-PW
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Putter- Cleveland Huntington Beach Soft #11

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I've played and reviewed the Wilson Duo and the Bridgestone e7 on TST. As Savvy has stated, the Srixon in the same price range is also a good choice. Your handicap is better than mine so all I will say is that I hit a high trajectory shot into greens for chips, pitches, and approaches. The Wilson Duo has much less roll out on firm greens than the Bridgestone e7. My swing speed is 112-114 and I am happy with the 270ish yards I get with the Wilson Duo and sometimes much more than that. The duo holds the greens better than the e7 on approaches
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I picked up some Macgregor M95 retro/repro persimmon clubs a couple of weeks ago, and the Wilson Duo feels great off them.

Don

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Driver: PING 410 Plus 9 degrees, Alta CB55 S  Fairway: Callaway Rogue 3W PX Even Flow Blue 6.0; Hybrid: Titleist 818H1 21* PX Even Flow Blue 6.0;  Irons: Titleist 718 AP1 5-W2(53*) Shafts- TT AMT Red S300 ; Wedges Vokey SM8 56-10D Putter: Scotty Cameron 2016 Newport 2.5  Ball: Titleist AVX or 2021 ProV1

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I've hit a few Wilson Duos just to see what everybody has been saying.  It's pretty soft (almost dead feeling).  Doesn't spin well enough on approach shots.  It's an inexpensive ball and plays like it.

If Wilson is what is called for, someone suggested the FG Tour.  That's a much better ball then the Duo.  Never played the Duo Spin though.  Since they make a Duo Spin, Wilson realizes the Duo doesn't spin enough.

Everybody has their favorite balls.  If you tossed all the premium balls in a hat and picked one, doubt you'd see much difference.  I chose the Volvik S3 because I don't want to follow the herd.  Also, it performs a little better for me.  Ultra low spin off the driver and thus ultra long.  The inside of their ball is different from all the other premium balls.  The ball also has the highest wedge spin of any premium ball, so it will stop on the greens.  They have a firmer feeling but not too hard (85 compression) which I like.

I like the Srixon Z-Star and Maxfli U/6 too.  Plus, the Z-Star comes In yellow.  So does the FG Tour.

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On 4/2/2015 at 4:49 AM, saevel25 said:

 

 

First, Golf balls can make a difference if you are comparing premium versus non-premium. Mostly it's the cover. Urethane grips the clubface more and produces more spin on short game shots and has superior feel compared to other synthetic covers. In terms of driver performance, most golf balls perform the same.

 

Does this mean a high handicapper with a slice should not play a  Urethane ball like the Duo U or Chromesoft? I just picked up the Callaway Super Hot 55 for a slightly lower compression, supposed to be straight. Not sure if it will have any green side bite.

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When it comes to golf balls, I think handicap has little to do with it. No matter what your handicap, you need a ball that you can control around the greens, period. Some guys can control a surlyn covered ball around the green just fine. For others, it has to have a urethane cover. The sidespin numbers really arnt going to make that drastic of a difference in my opinion. A slice is a slice and a hook is a hook. And five more yards left or right probably wont impact one's score as much as backspin numbers which really do vary greatly between golf balls. This has come to be my findings as Ive been doing lots of on course testing with various golf balls. 

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On 4/2/2015 at 4:49 AM, saevel25 said:

First, Golf balls can make a difference if you are comparing premium versus non-premium. Mostly it's the cover. Urethane grips the clubface more and produces more spin on short game shots and has superior feel compared to other synthetic covers. In terms of driver performance, most golf balls perform the same.

So you think you can distinguish a urethane covered ball from a synthetic one based on feel?  

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26 minutes ago, newtogolf said:

So you think you can distinguish a urethane covered ball from a synthetic one based on feel?  

Urethane is synthetic.  Did you mean Surlyn? 

I can tell the difference most of the time.  A high compression urethane can feel like a Rock Flite to me.  Definitely different off the putter.

Driver.......Ping K15 9.5* stiff 3 wood.....Ping K15 16* stiff 5 wood.....Ping K15 19* stiff 4 Hybrid...Cleveland Gliderail 23* stiff 5 - PW......Pinhawk SL GW...........Tommy Armour 52* SW...........Tommy Armour 56* LW...........Tommy Armour 60* FW...........Diamond Tour 68* Putter.......Golfsmith Dyna Mite Ball..........Volvik Vista iV Green Bag..........Bennington Quiet Organizer Shoes.... ..Crocs

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5 minutes ago, vangator said:

Urethane is synthetic.  Did you mean Surlyn? 

I can tell the difference most of the time.  A high compression urethane can feel like a Rock Flite to me.  Definitely different off the putter.

I meant other synthetic covers.  I'm also not referring to differences in ball compression but only covers.  In the quote, the poster suggested urethane has superior feel.  

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