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I am hearing rumors that some seem to think an apple watch is better because it can not take phone calls when out of range of it's phone.

These ideas and viewpoints tend to totally baffle me, so hopefully someone here can explain to me why a watch that is not a separate phone is better than one that is.

For the record, I am no apple hater, nor am i a Samsung fan boy. I love my ipod 5 as much as I like my Samsung note Edge and Samsung Gear S.

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I am hearing rumors that some seem to think an apple watch is better because it can not take phone calls when out of range of it's phone.

These ideas and viewpoints tend to totally baffle me, so hopefully someone here can explain to me why a watch that is not a separate phone is better than one that is.

For the record, I am no apple hater, nor am i a Samsung fan boy. I love my ipod 5 as much as I like my Samsung note Edge and Samsung Gear S.

I have to admit I am not completely sure what you are asking. Are you saying that you want a watch to be a phone? Or you want your watch to take phone calls for you?

As I see it, the watch is an accessory to the phone. Our generation has become very addicted to the phone. I see people checking the phone hundreds to times a day, the watch can help you to see the messages or emails at a glance rather than pulling out your phone. It also tells time, and a few other things, but mainly it is a smaller simpler version of the phone on your wrist.

I don't think it will be a replacement for your phone, ever. The phone has a huge processor, GPS, a whole host of things the watch can't do for some time. Plus surfing the internet on your watch will not be a good experience. The phone will live on.

As for comparisons, I think that Apple will do a better job with user experience than Samsung did. I wore the Samsung watch for a year and I think from a functional perspective it is really similar. It did emails, texts, whatever the Apple Watch will likely do, but the user interface was really clunky. The Android Wear was better, but I didn't get to try that much, but it showed that there is hope for the user interface and likely Apple got it right. I think it will be seamless and fun...for a while anyways.

The problem that watches have is that these are not time pieces. They are electronics which wear out and start to suck after a while. A newer one comes along and you would rather have the new one. A Rolex (or insert whatever brand you prefer) never goes out of style. It is beautiful and can be worn for 15 years without worrying if the battery life has gotten so bad that the dang thing only works for 5 hours. The Apple watch is an electronic and they get replaced.

Considering the investment in something that will be out of style in such a short time the price tag for the watch is a bit more than I would like to spend at this point. If the first number was a 1 or even maybe a 2 I woud bite, but a 3 or a 4 makes it more than something I would like to spend. I don't fault the person who buys it. It will be a cool thing to have and will likely work really well for the purposes that I talked about, but at this point it isn't yet for me.

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I am hearing rumors that some seem to think an apple watch is better because it can not take phone calls when out of range of it's phone.  These ideas and viewpoints tend to totally baffle me, so hopefully someone here can explain to me why a watch that is not a separate phone is better than one that is. For the record, I am no apple hater, nor am i a Samsung fan boy. I love my ipod 5 as much as I like my Samsung note Edge and Samsung Gear S.

Sensitive much? Just buy what you like and enjoy. Why the hell would you care what someone else thinks about the gizmo you decided to buy?

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Sensitive much? Just buy what you like and enjoy. Why the hell would you care what someone else thinks about the gizmo you decided to buy?


What's wrong with trying to understand the pros and cons of each?

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Sensitive much? Just buy what you like and enjoy. Why the hell would you care what someone else thinks about the gizmo you decided to buy?

Not sensitive at all, just trying to understand others viewpoints . Shouldn't that be ok on a message board? [quote name="dsc123" url="/t/81306/apple-watches-vs-samsung-gear-s#post_1127158"] What's wrong with trying to understand the pros and cons of each? [/quote] Bingo!

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Not sensitive at all, just trying to understand others viewpoints . Shouldn't that be ok on a message board?

It should be okay. Just as it should be okay to call out the obnoxious way in which you started the thread. Rumors? Please child. I wear a Rolex my dad gave me, I wear it every day, and that is not changing. I like my watch to be my watch and my phone to be my phone.

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It should be okay. Just as it should be okay to call out the obnoxious way in which you started the thread. Rumors? Please child. I wear a Rolex my dad gave me, I wear it every day, and that is not changing. I like my watch to be my watch and my phone to be my phone.

The only thing thats obnoxious here is your post, as usual. The guy is comparing two smart watches and asked why people see the absence of a feature as a strength of one vis a vis another. There's nothing obnoxious about that. You clearly have no interest in any smart watch, so your opinion is irrelevant.

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The only thing thats obnoxious here is your post, as usual. The guy is comparing two smart watches and asked why people see the absence of a feature as a strength of one vis a vis another. There's nothing obnoxious about that. You clearly have no interest in any smart watch, so your opinion is irrelevant.

You clearly did not see the other thread @meenman was referring to with his rumors bit.

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:offtopic: guys.

I said what I said in the other thread, @meenman (I agree that calling it a "rumor" is… I'll just go with "odd" given the ability to quote, copy/paste, tag others, etc. here at TST) because I'm a fan of specialization. I hate stuff that tries to do too much because it almost always fails to do any area particularly well.

Your watch is an actual phone now? What's next? Your remote control? Your socks? Your glasses? Your car keys? How about your shoe, Maxwell Smart? Let's just put a phone in everything!*

I prefer the Apple Watch approach. It's basically just a screen with limited processing power. That means that as the phones upgrade, the software can easily be upgraded on your watch to do more. There's less "hardware" to show its age over time. The Apple Watch does enough to run some basic stuff and the display. It's essentially a thin client. I don't have to worry about whether my SIM card in my watch is working. I don't have to worry about which phone will ring or whatnot. I don't have to worry about sucking battery power when I put my watch away in weak cell service areas. The Apple Watch does its jobs - a smaller list of jobs, yes - and does them well.

Specialization. I despise "jack of all trades, master of none" stuff.

Apple routinely goes for simplicity and focus. Other companies do not. To each their own. If you like having your watch be an actual phone, good for you. I do not. My opinion doesn't change the "betterness" of the watch phone for you, just as your opinion doesn't change the "betterness" of the Apple Watch for me.

People routinely also bash Apple for its simplicity, its focus, its specialization. "The iPod doesn't even do… x, y, z? That'll never work!" There are ten tons of claim chowder out there where people talk about Apple products as being failures because they don't have a huge bullet point list of features. Time and time again those things are proven wrong.

Enough people seem to like things that do a small list of tasks and do them well. For those who prefer a more "varied" task device, well, they can buy Samsung products. :-)

* As you may well know, two other facts remain relevant:

  • My computers and iPads allow me to take a phone call as well. My phone can be in my bedroom and I can be downstairs and I can answer my phone on my iPad or MacBook Pro.
  • My watch will work the same way - I can take a phone call so long as I'm on the same WiFi network. This extends out into my yard (and even into my neighbor's yards).

The second thing being said, too, I can't remember the last time I was without my phone for an extended period of time. Modern phones are great because they can do so much. When I'm doing yard work, I often have headphones plugged in snaked up under my shirt for listening to podcasts. I almost always have my phone with me. It's the best device for doing some tasks, like messaging, looking up something quickly on the Web, checking my calendar, etc. So having an actual phone IN my watch serves no purpose to me.

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None of that makes any sense to me. The entire premise of a smartphone/smart watch is that it's a jack of all trades. You don't need a point and shoot camera, ipod, a notebook, a scorecard, a GPS device, an alarm clock, etc. when you have a smartphone. I mean, you say that modern phones are great because they do so much. I get the sentiment of "I already have something that does all of that just fine," but only to an extent. That's what I felt about tablets for a while, I have a laptop which can do more, and a smartphone which is more convenient, and didn't see the need for a tablet. Now I only use my laptop to use analyzr and game golf. The tablet gets far more use. Sometimes you just have to try something to know how you will use it. There are certainly possible negative side effects to trying to do too much. I can totally see cramming a phone into that as being difficult to do well. But it comes down to execution.
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Until Apple improves the battery life it's a useless piece of tech in my opinion.  I need a watch to last at least 18 hours with regular use and would prefer one that I didn't have to charge daily.  At the current 6-8 hours (under moderate use) I can't see why anyone would want it unless they want to look at a blank screen for 1/2 the day.  I love high tech and Apple products so this isn't Apple bashing.

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Until Apple improves the battery life it's a useless piece of tech in my opinion.  I need a watch to last at least 18 hours with regular use and would prefer one that I didn't have to charge daily.  At the current 6-8 hours (under moderate use) I can't see why anyone would want it unless they want to look at a blank screen for 1/2 the day.  I love high tech and Apple products so this isn't Apple bashing.

What? 6-8 hours?? That's totally pointless, lol. What's the battery life on the Samsung?

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What? 6-8 hours?? That's totally pointless, lol.

What's the battery life on the Samsung?

I don't know, Everything I own (phone, tablets) is Apple based so I have zero interest in Samsung products.  Here is an article on the Apple Watch that details battery life;

http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2015/03/16/beware-apple-watch-some-gotchas-to-look-out-for/

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It also bears pointing out that more active users will need more than just nightly charges. Apple's 18-hour day consists of 90 time checks, 90 notifications, 45 minutes of app use, and a 30-minute musical workout. It's hard to fathom anyone checking the time 90 times a day, but there will certainly be people going through a ton of notifications and spending more than 45 minutes on smartwatch apps.

The 18 hours assumes the screen is turned off unless in use, so you have to touch it to show the time as well.

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The 18 hours assumes the screen is turned off unless in use, so you have to touch it to show the time as well.

You don't have to touch it. Raising on turning your wrist up to view is supposed to turn the screen on.

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None of that makes any sense to me.

Bummer. I thought I had made myself pretty clear.

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The entire premise of a smartphone/smart watch is that it's a jack of all trades.

I disagree that it's a jack of all trades. It does a number of things and does them well, but there are still a number of tasks that are better suited for a computer (or even an iPad). Heck, I have an iPad, an iPhone, and two computers (a desktop and a laptop). Each has different uses.

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Sometimes you just have to try something to know how you will use it.

And sometimes you don't.

I don't want my watch to be a full-fledged phone. It will already act like a phone when it's within about 200 feet of my phone already, and it'll do that without putting a SIM card in it or sucking battery like crazy or having hardware that gets outdated more quickly or whatever. That's a watch trying to do too much IMO.

The thin client approach makes more sense to me.

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Until Apple improves the battery life it's a useless piece of tech in my opinion.  I need a watch to last at least 18 hours with regular use and would prefer one that I didn't have to charge daily.  At the current 6-8 hours (under moderate use) I can't see why anyone would want it unless they want to look at a blank screen for 1/2 the day.  I love high tech and Apple products so this isn't Apple bashing.

I think it gets 18 hours. Everything I've read says that. I've read a LOT of reviews, too.

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“All-day battery life is based on 18 hours with the following use: 90 time checks, 90 notifications, 45 minutes of app use, and a 30-minute workout with music playback from Apple Watch via Bluetooth, over the course of 18 hours.”

Every review I've read thus far says that the watch still has 20-50% of its battery life at the end of the day. One guy put it through heavy testing one day and had 5% left at the end of the day (Gruber, if you want to look that one up).

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I don't have to worry about whether my SIM card in my watch is working. I don't have to worry about which phone will ring or whatnot. I don't have to worry about sucking battery power when I put my watch away in weak cell service areas. The Apple Watch does its jobs - a smaller list of jobs, yes - and does them well.

The second thing being said, too, I can't remember the last time I was without my phone for an extended period of time. Modern phones are great because they can do so much. When I'm doing yard work, I often have headphones plugged in snaked up under my shirt for listening to podcasts. I almost always have my phone with me. It's the best device for doing some tasks, like messaging, looking up something quickly on the Web, checking my calendar, etc. So having an actual phone IN my watch serves no purpose to me.

When was the last time you thought about a SIM card after putting it in a phone/tablet/watch?

You guys with tiny phones can keep them on you all day long, unless i am wearing deep pocketed khakis or shorts, my phone is just going to fall out - i go blind trying to use my ipod touch for any extended period of time.

Bottom line - a samsung watch is as useful to you as an apple is for me - since both are only compatible with their own kind. I am not anti-apple and may have even been on your side if apple had not stuck with one cell carrier for so long.

I will disagree with *not being it's own phone line is better* - but it isnt anything that any other apple owner wouldnt say.

What? 6-8 hours?? That's totally pointless, lol.

What's the battery life on the Samsung?

I beat the hell out of my watch and still have 20-30% left on it after it being off of the charger 15-18 hours.

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I met some who was wearing a Pebble. Any thoughts?

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I met some who was wearing a Pebble. Any thoughts?

From what I hear and the little research i have done  - it is compatible with more phones and sounds like a decent product. A little small for my taste, but I have always owned the largest phone screen and like my watch a bit obnoxious. I do think it will do well, especially with those that choose to use an androind phone that is not a samsung.

Just dont mention *pebble* if you are creating apple watch apps or the will kick you out of their app store.

The thing is with watches, when the apple one hits the streets, all *smartwatch* companies will benefit - it is better to be 10% of the market with millions sold than to be 75% with thousands sold.

I'll be honest - apple only irks me because I was one of the few with a smart watch and it was a great conversation piece with my customers - now everyone will have them and i will just be one of many.

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