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  1. 1. Would you want to see a throwback event with balata balls, persimmon drivers, steel shafts, etc.?

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Would you like to see today's pro's play an event using balata balls, persimmon woods and same era irons? Could be a televised charity event. Personally, I think it would be very interesting, listening to Miller and company making comparison remarks.

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I'd like to see it. Something different.

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I'd love it. I bet scores wouldn't be all that different.

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I voted no. After the initial novelty wore off, it would be pointless. It would require a fair amount of adaptation and thus be a bit of a freak event. Plus, it would diminish the skills of current players - they would undoubtedly play a bit worse than pros who were used to playing with them, so a casual golfer would conclude that the modern pro is not as good.

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Voted no. Definitely not as a regular type of tournament, the novelty would wear off fairly quickly.

Might be interesting to do once as a one or two round charity event or a long drive contest.

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I don't think there are many people interested in "old" equipment.

It's a very specialised interest. The average viewer wouldn't know what was going on.

Only a fraction of people on this site would be interested, so I think that is saying it would be a commercial blooper.

Who would be interested in sponsoring something which limits the players?

That's not the same as saying I wouldn't like to see some top players hitting older equipment because I would. But in a comparison style setting, not in a tournament.

I could also do without " listening to Miller and company making comparison remarks. "

Why would it be interesting to hear them say "You know, that one might have just cleared the bunker with a modern driver."?

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Why not?

Make the tournament a winter invitational with three rounds somewhere in the Caribbean for a select group of 9 well known pros:  a threesome of Americans, a threesome of Europeans, and a threesome from around the globe. Have individual and better ball totals for a ton of money on a daily basis as well as a three day aggregate total. Replay the event in prime time on Friday, Saturday and Sunday evenings.

Round 1: Gutta Percha balls and hickory shafted clubs.  Tees up.

Round 2: Balata balls, persimmon woods, blade irons, and non-perimeter weighted putters. Middle tees.

Round 3: Modern technology. Tees all the way back.

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I would like to see it, but the pros have no incentive to put themselves in a situation that might make them look bad.

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Would you like to see today's pro's play an event using balata balls, persimmon woods and same era irons? ...

disco,

The balata, etc., is the stuff I played with until about 1990.

A true throwback event would be a Hickory Stick tournament using vintage or replica hickory-shafted clubs, and Haskell balls.

The Triple A club in St. Louis used to have such an amateur event each August. Players dressed in period attire.

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I voted no as a regular tour event.  A charity event with hickory shafted clubs and plus fours would be entertaining once in a while, but not a real tour event.

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I voted no. I think it's interesting from a comparative perspective, but in order for a true comparison these guys would have to change their clubs and play with them a couple years (at least) to adjust to the difference. Just think of Rory switching to Nike, and how long that is taking (and that's modern equipment). I have thought of personally joining a hickory event for fun, but it's not appealing enough to go buy the equipment for just a one time a year type of thing.
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i think a one tournament idea would be a nice idea, could make it somethiing like everyone playing with blades, a 3 or 4 piece ball , and persimmons drivers and woods... i did post up a old article a while back that had Brendt Snedekar doing a round with old school equipment.. and comparing the diffence betweeen his modern stuff and old stuff..

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I voted no for the following reasons;

  1. It's a no win proposition for current pro's.  If they score worse, the consensus will be that the equipment is what makes them successful.  If they score the same or better their sponsors will look like liars given how most advertise the improvements in their equipment over the years.
  2. Courses would also have to be rolled back to match the equipment.
  3. Who's providing all the old equipment?
  4. Younger guys will be at a complete disadvantage, I highly doubt, Spieth, Reed, Bradley, Fowler or others ever had to hit a balata ball or hickory shafted clubs.

You don't see football players suiting up with their leather helmets, baseball players using the old small hand size gloves using raised mounds or NASCAR racing NASCAR cars from 1965.  It's great to reminisce and debate about the role of technology in sports but I'm glad we've progressed and don't wish to go back even for one week.

If the PGA were going to consider such an event I'd rather see it done on the Champions Tour.

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I voted no. After the initial novelty wore off, it would be pointless. It would require a fair amount of adaptation and thus be a bit of a freak event. Plus, it would diminish the skills of current players - they would undoubtedly play a bit worse than pros who were used to playing with them, so a casual golfer would conclude that the modern pro is not as good.


I agree 100%.  To go a step further, I truly believe that golf has a deeper more talented overall field now.  Perception would be that the equipment would make the pros play worse and would give the impression that the only reason they shoot good scores is because of technology of today's game.  The pros on tour are extremely talented.

What I would think would be funny though, would be a charity event with the pros playing opposite of their normal orientation (right handed vs. left handed)...  I think we would be surprised how many could shoot okay numbers (80's or even lower) playing from the opposite side.

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To quote iacas "I truly believe that golf has a deeper more talented overall field now.  Perception would be that the equipment would make the pros play worse and would give the impression that the only reason they shoot good scores is because of technology of today's game.  The pros on tour are extremely talented."

I'm sorry, but to me it's a contradiction twice within the context of your post. Either the pro's are extremely talented or it is the equipment. With the exception of the ball itself and the sometime debate about it going to far, the main difference between today's blades that pro's play and those blades of the 80's and 90's is stronger lofts and longer shafts. If you've never played with a wound balata ball, well it's been said they have a mind of their own. Far less perfect than the new balls on today's market. Now I even would not want to see hickory shafts and gutta percha balls, that's a whole different arena. Golf courses are already set up with multiple tees so nothing super exaggerated needs to be done. It could be an end of year 2 day charity event and I'd bet after the first offering, we may be surprised as to how it's received and to show just how far modern day equipment has taken us. There's a couple of events that are televised (the Sharks shoot out, the Father and son Challenge, the CVS multi tour format and there's most likely one or two more that don't come to mind right now) If the tour/PGA gets behind it, as they do I'm sure for those other offerings, It shouldn't be to difficult to find backing. As for getting equipment, we'll just go to Mr. Palmer's garage. Even if it was a once only deal, wouldn't you be curious to see?

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[QUOTE name="disco111" url="/t/81481/a-tour-event-played-with-the-old-equipment#post_1131795"] [COLOR=181818]I'm sorry, but to me it's a contradiction twice within the context of your post. Either the pro's are extremely talented or it is the equipment.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE] No. You completely missed the point that the pros would have no time to adapt (nor should they spend much time for a one-off tournament). Modern players are better. Modern equipment is better too. There is no contradiction in that post (or mine). [QUOTE name="disco111" url="/t/81481/a-tour-event-played-with-the-old-equipment#post_1131795"]   [COLOR=181818]With the exception of the ball itself and the sometime debate about it going to far, the main difference between today's blades that pro's play and those blades of the 80's and 90's is stronger lofts and longer shafts.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE] The ball is better, the shafts are better, many PGA Tour players don't play blades, the drivers are better, they have hybrids now, etc. The list is a lot longer than "the ball." [QUOTE name="disco111" url="/t/81481/a-tour-event-played-with-the-old-equipment#post_1131795"]   [COLOR=181818]If you've never played with a wound balata ball, well it's been said they have a mind of their own.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE] I have. My first set of woods were persimmon.

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To quote iacas "I truly believe that golf has a deeper more talented overall field now.  Perception would be that the equipment would make the pros play worse and would give the impression that the only reason they shoot good scores is because of technology of today's game.  The pros on tour are extremely talented."

I'm sorry, but to me it's a contradiction twice within the context of your post. Either the pro's are extremely talented or it is the equipment.

@disco111 - You actually quoted me not @iacas - and my statement was making a different point than what he did with regards to the pros adapting.  The pros today are extremely talented.  The technology today does help the pros hit the balls higher, further etc.  That is no contradiction.  The very context of my statement is to make the point that the pros today are no less talented than pros that played back then.

To go back to @iacas original post, I 100% agree that pros wouldn't have the time to adapt (not that they couldn't) but they shouldn't take the time to adapt to play older clubs.  (That's why I went on further to say it would give the perception that they only play as well as they do because of technology and not because of their skill) - Simply put, It's a different game but today's pros are no less talented than the pros that played with the older clubs.

PS - I would be curious to see what the pros would do, but inevitably the pros today would be compared to the pros from yesteryear.  It's like @tefunk mentioned: "Just think of Rory switching to Nike, and how long that is taking (and that's modern equipment)."  -There wouldn't be enough time to adapt and give it a fair comparison to judge the skills of today's pros vs. the pros that played with that equipment - and that comparison would be made by the nature of them using the same equipment - Thus I voted no because it would give the perception that today's pros are not as good and not as talented as they used to be and that the skill of today's player is inferior - and that's simply not true.

No need to say sorry either, you can disagree and I'm not offended.  People have different opinions on things doesn't mean we couldn't play a round of golf and have a blast or that I'm mad about it lol...    I did have to clarify though.  :)

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