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Animal rights activists are going bananas after a Manhattan judge ruled that two lab chimpanzees have a right to their day in court to argue that they are "persons" who have a right to freedom.

Did these Animal rights activist not watch the Plant of the Apes?  they will get you... ruuuunnnnnn you fooooooooooool..

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I'm sort of torn about this, I agree that chimps are very intelligent, but granting them "personhood" is a rather interesting step. Maybe a bit extreme.

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I'm sort of torn about this, I agree that chimps are very intelligent, but granting them "personhood" is a rather interesting step. Maybe a bit extreme.

Nothing but another attempt to increase democrat voter base! :-D

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I'm sort of torn about this, I agree that chimps are very intelligent, but granting them "personhood" is a rather interesting step. Maybe a bit extreme.

Nothing but another attempt to increase democrat voter base!


Well if Corporations are people, then I guess chimps are too! :-P

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Nothing but another attempt to increase democrat voter base!

They already have dead people voting democrat, why not chimps? :whistle:

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Well if Corporations are people, then I guess chimps are too!  :-P

I suppose I'm more willing to accept a chimp as a person than a corporation...

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I'll go along with this but I have to draw the line between apes and monkeys, 'cause damn, those tailed primates are mouth-watering!

Seriously, granting "personhood" is crazy and why so many of these organizations have little credibility. Their hearts are in the right place but they go too far. Having said that, even as a hunter I believe we can do a better job of treating animals ethically.

They already have dead people voting democrat, why not chimps?

Because even a chimp would be able to recognize bad policy (that was intended for both sides of the aisle).

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Wow!   This thread may develop into a die hard republicans vs bleeding democrats fight thread.  Chuckle.

I watched the news on this last night and have not formed a definitive opinion yet (and likely never will on this topic).     But it got me thinking for a few minutes.  My random, wandering thoughts below ;-) .

  • The news mentioned dolphins & elephants as candidate as well.   That got me thinking ... where does it stop?  Some will insist some dog breeds belong to the elite group.   Others will try to include some parrots to the list, cats, etc.    If one to ask Indian people (not native Americans), they will insist on cows for sure, and other animals different part of Indian culture worship/believe to be close to humans.
  • What are the legal, moral implications?   Too many to even delve into.
  • Let's say I believe in reincarnation.   If  I am born into an animal body in my next life, I'd like myself to be well treated.  Perhaps, I should support this in case I am reincarnated in a chimp's body.

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Wow!   This thread may develop into a die hard republicans vs bleeding democrats fight thread.  Chuckle.  I watched the news on this last night and have not formed a definitive opinion yet (and likely never will on this topic).     But it got me thinking for a few minutes.  My random, wandering thoughts below ;-) . [LIST] [*] The news mentioned dolphins & elephants as candidate as well.   That got me thinking ... where does it stop?  Some will insist some dog breeds belong to the elite group.   Others will try to include some parrots to the list, cats, etc.    If one to ask Indian people (not native Americans), they will insist on cows for sure, and other animals different part of Indian culture worship/believe to be close to humans.    [*] What are the legal, moral implications?   Too many to even delve into. [*] Let's say I believe in reincarnation.   If  I am born into an animal body in my next life, I'd like myself to be well treated.  Perhaps, I should support this in case I am reincarnated in a chimp's body. [/LIST]

What's next you ask? Well, all the animals.. The ones in the zoo, aquarium and so on.. They are all being held against their will are they not?

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Wow!   This thread may develop into a die hard republicans vs bleeding democrats fight thread.  Chuckle.

I watched the news on this last night and have not formed a definitive opinion yet (and likely never will on this topic).     But it got me thinking for a few minutes.  My random, wandering thoughts below .

The news mentioned dolphins & elephants as candidate as well.   That got me thinking ... where does it stop?  Some will insist some dog breeds belong to the elite group.   Others will try to include some parrots to the list, cats, etc.    If one to ask Indian people (not native Americans), they will insist on cows for sure, and other animals different part of Indian culture worship/believe to be close to humans.

What are the legal, moral implications?   Too many to even delve into.

Let's say I believe in reincarnation.   If  I am born into an animal body in my next life, I'd like myself to be well treated.  Perhaps, I should support this in case I am reincarnated in a chimp's body.

What's next you ask? Well, all the animals.. The ones in the zoo, aquarium and so on.. They are all being held against their will are they not?

Not as big an issue with wild animals.  In theory, they could be returned to the "wild".

How do we give domesticated animals (dogs, cats,) their freedom?  This could/would (IMO) cause huge problems.

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Not as big an issue with wild animals.  In theory, they could be returned to the "wild". How do we give domesticated animals (dogs, cats,) their freedom?  This could/would (IMO) cause huge problems.

Good point, that I don't think they have thought about yet.. Technically they are all being held against their will.. How would you feel if it was you being domesticated? Wouldn't you want your freedom? I say let all the cars and dogs and parrots go asap and just see what happens.. We can avoid all the court fees too, think how much we can save?

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I say let all the cars and dogs and parrots go asap and just see what happens.. We can avoid all the court fees too, think how much we can save?

Did you just expanded this discussion to inanimate objects?   (I knew this was a typo, if not, see below :-D )

Well, more of my wandering thought here ... if cars can drive by itself (better than DUI drivers), they definitely belong to be freed.   All AI beings should be freed.   Free the robots. :-)

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Did you just expanded this discussion to inanimate objects?   (I knew this was a typo, if not, see below :-D ) Well, more of my wandering thought here ... if cars can drive by itself (better than DUI drivers), they definitely belong to be freed.   All AI beings should be freed.   Free the robots.   :-)

Yes.. The cars will eventually be able to think for them selves (think kit) and thus deserve to be free.. But yeah unfortunately it was a typo, or was it?

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My dog Skippy is a person.  He is very adamant about it.  "Don't you dare touch MY remote."

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