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“They’re creating this big, singing, dancing party atmosphere at these holes,” Bjorn told the Post. “It was like it at the Honda, at Houston and in Phoenix and things can very quickly spin out of control.”

At Phoenix, the 16th hole has become a veritable enclosed stadium of partying, festive fans that boo players for bad shots. Players put up with it, since it only takes place once a year.

But other fan-hungry events have tried, with varying degrees of success, to replicate the celebratory mood at smaller levels. It’s hardly a new phenomenon, either. Years ago, the tournament in Greensboro developed such a bad rap on a certain hole among players, foreign and American alike, that event officials repeatedly moved around grandstands and concession areas in an attempt to control the mood.

At many other major U.S. sports events, alcohol sales are cut off at a certain time.

England’s Ian Poulter was also heckled at the Players Championship and the fans reportedly were not ejected. Poulter was livid and declined to repeat what had been said, out of fear that he might be fined for reacting to it.

Of course, when packing in thousands of fans – something very few European Tour events have to worry about – it only takes a few loudmouths to ruin the mood, as Garcia pointed out. But some believe the PGA Tour has given fans too much of a leash on the behavioral front.

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I do agree some of the stuff the people say is just stupid and probably out of bound.

I kinda think Poulter brings this upon himself. He doesn't resonate well with the American fans.

I am not sure what the can do to police it. I guess a player could call for a person to be ejected if it goes over a certain level of vulgarity or timing. Like if someone yelled in the middle of his swing.

I love watching the Phoenix Open because that atmosphere at that par 3 is amazing and fun to watch. I think these arena type golf holes are a good addition to golf in moderation.

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The behavior of some of the people in the gallery certainly leave something to be desired. I think it's ridiculous how people feel the need to yell nonsensical things. I miss the days when people behaved in a respectable manor. I think it's a byproduct of the increased interest in the sport by a different sector of people than before. I think they need to crack down on people who act out during the tournaments, there's no reason or excuse for how some people act, regardless of the sporting event.

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Poulter antagonizes.

If he took accountability for his play,  kept his temper in check, did not take digs at fans, and was diplomatic, he'd win over fans.

But that's not Poulter.

Sergio is suffering from long-term fan memory. Don't know if he is capable of a mea culpa.

Let's compare them to Tiger, who has done some weird things, but he is golf greatness, and is a US Citizen. He also has a certain scowling presence. I do not think any fan wants to mess with Tiger to his face.

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I haven't been to a tournament for a long time, so I don't know if there is a system in place, but they should give bracelets to designate fans of legal age. After establishing their legality, give them up to 3 tickets that they must turn in when buying an alcholic beverage. No ticket = no drink. Controlling the ammount of alchol consumed will lead to better behavior.
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I haven't been to a tournament for a long time, so I don't know if there is a system in place, but they should give bracelets to designate fans of legal age. After establishing their legality, give them up to 3 tickets that they must turn in when buying an alcholic beverage. No ticket = no drink. Controlling the ammount of alchol consumed will lead to better behavior.

The tickets for drinks could work somewhat, but then you'll have people who don't use them and would sell/give them away. I think it's a good idea but it may need to be a bit more regulated to make sure people don't get around the limit in that way.

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It's a spectator sport and you want the spectators to have fun. Unless Poulter and others want to be playing for a much smaller purse, he needs to accept it. A PGA Tour tournament is going to be louder than a practice round at Medalist. People being obscene is another thing and that should be addressed. But loud, and maybe even non-obscene heckling, doesn't bother me that much.

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I haven't been to a tournament for a long time, so I don't know if there is a system in place, but they should give bracelets to designate fans of legal age. After establishing their legality, give them up to 3 tickets that they must turn in when buying an alcholic beverage. No ticket = no drink. Controlling the ammount of alchol consumed will lead to better behavior.

Good grief. Here's a better idea. Why not just hold the knuckleheads who misbehave accountable?!

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Good grief. Here's a better idea. Why not just hold the knuckleheads who misbehave accountable?!

Phew. Finally something David and I can agree on! :beer: Why the hell should everybody else lose their right to enjoy themselves just because someone let the "tools out of the shed"? Toss the bozos out and keep tossin' em out until the gene pool's a little less muddy.

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Phew. Finally something David and I can agree on!

Why the hell should everybody else lose their right to enjoy themselves just because someone let the "tools out of the shed"? Toss the bozos out and keep tossin' em out until the gene pool's a little less muddy.

I find it somewhat amusing that in order for some people to "enjoy themselves" requires drinking more than a few drinks while at a public event. This comes from someone who's family has quite a few people who actually believe that very thing. I see nothing wrong with drinking, I do it on occasion, but I do not believe every place is the right place to imbibe multiple drinks. Obviously this is just my opinion and don't believe or think everyone should agree.

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I cringe every time I hear random words yelled after a shot. It just shouldn't be that hard to be respectful. I agree with Sergio though, it only takes a couple of people to make the whole crowd look bad.
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Good grief. Here's a better idea. Why not just hold the knuckleheads who misbehave accountable?!

That's already what they're trying to do though, right? The whole impetus of the thread is that it's not working. I can only imagine that it's not easy to spot and track down a couple of *******s when they can fall back into a crowd of thousands. (I'm not saying I agree with the 3 drink ticket thing, just that I don't think the answer is as simple as saying "let's throw out people who yell shit." That's already the policy, and I've yet to hear a solution for doing that better .)

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I haven't been to a tournament for a long time, so I don't know if there is a system in place, but they should give bracelets to designate fans of legal age. After establishing their legality, give them up to 3 tickets that they must turn in when buying an alcholic beverage. No ticket = no drink. Controlling the ammount of alchol consumed will lead to better behavior.


Good grief.

Here's a better idea. Why not just hold the knuckleheads who misbehave accountable?!

American society isn't very big on personal accountability these days, but that's probably a sub-topic more suitable for other forums.  Nonetheless, I agree completely - toss out the idiots who don't know how to conduct themselves and the rest will fall in line once they realize the Tour (and the courses) are serious about it and won't tolerate people behaving badly.

I don't watch a lot of European golf, but I have been impressed by the behavior in the gallery in the few events I've watched.  No idiots screaming "Mashed potatoes!", "Boo-yah!", "You da man!" or all the other idiotic things you hear at American PGA Tour events.  Didn't hear a single moron yell "Get in the hoooole!" on a par 5 tee shot, and the gallery overall seemed more mannered and better behaved.  Like I said, I don't watch a lot of the events so I don't know if it was an anomaly or if the Euros really do behave better at golf tournaments.  Either way, they don't have too much room to be sanctimonious, as one could easily point to all the hooliganism at football (soccer) matches over there to show that Americans don't have the market cornered for bad behavior and drunken idiocy.

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I find it somewhat amusing that in order for some people to "enjoy themselves" requires drinking more than a few drinks while at a public event. This comes from someone who's family has quite a few people who actually believe that very thing. I see nothing wrong with drinking, I do it on occasion, but I do not believe every place is the right place to imbibe multiple drinks. Obviously this is just my opinion and don't believe or think everyone should agree.

I know a few people who think the same way - seems like they only equate fun with getting drunk.  We went to play golf at a course near Las Vegas one time and a few guys smuggled a couple beers in their golf bags.  That wasn't enough for one guy, who loaded his whole cooler full of beer on his cart, then threw a major fit when the starter told him that outside alcohol wasn't allowed on the course.  I mean he really carried on about it, made a huge scene and almost got thrown off the course.  He was more of an acquaintance than a friend, but I was still embarrassed by his ridiculous behavior - you'd think the world was going to come to an end because he couldn't get tanked up while playing golf.  As you said, I enjoy having a few drinks once in a while, but I'm also perfectly capable of having a great time without alcohol being involved.

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Like nothing happens after a football (soccer) game in Europe?

In America, golf is available to everyone. This is what really differentiates us from the stodgy rich people in Europe and Asia. This is why our fan base is so much wider. I would rather have the wider group of golfing fans who enjoy their game and booze if they wish.

I don't drink and golf at the same time any more, but I enjoy watching all the different types of people enjoy themselves on the course. It takes all kinds to make our country so good to live and golf in, and I take the good with the not so good.

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I haven't been to a tournament for a long time, so I don't know if there is a system in place, but they should give bracelets to designate fans of legal age. After establishing their legality, give them up to 3 tickets that they must turn in when buying an alcholic beverage. No ticket = no drink. Controlling the ammount of alchol consumed will lead to better behavior.

these tournaments make more money from beer sales than they do from admission to the event -  you won't see this happening - most of these tournaments sell special tickets that allow you in to areas where beer/food is unlimited - even Arnie's tournament....."wine and dine" "wine on nine".....from what I see (I attend a lot of events), the drunk ones aren't necessarily golf fans and feel they can behave the same way they do at other sport events (ie college football, nfl, nba) - and aren't held responsible for it.......

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That's already what they're trying to do though, right? The whole impetus of the thread is that it's not working. )

But that's the problem, they're not . If they were trying, they'd be tossing the knucklehead out each and every time someone acted out. They don't. Even a child figures out quickly that the threat of a consequence, without any real chance that it'll be followed through upon is no consequence at all.

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Good grief.

Here's a better idea. Why not just hold the knuckleheads who misbehave accountable?!

That's pretty much it.

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But that's the problem, they're not. If they were trying, they'd be tossing the knucklehead out each and every time someone acted out. They don't.

Even a child figures out quickly that the threat of a consequence, without any real chance that it'll be followed through upon is no consequence at all.

And years of that occurring at home and school have trained the knuckleheads to turn it around and make the person who actually calls them on their crap and holds them responsible the BAD GUY.  And anyone who helps identify them is a SNITCH.

But then again, what the hell do I know?

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