Caitlyn Jenner Gets Arthur Ashe Courage Award, Noah Galloway Is Runner Up?

Umm... what?

Just find it strange that Noah was beat out by Jenner is all.

It's not a political for me, it's a matter of someone who hasn't been an active athlete for decades beating out a current athlete who's overcome serious obstacles. I should have mentioned that in my previous post. If anything, I think the decision to give it to Jenner was political. Eh well, I can appreciate you bowing out though.

Point taken, I didn't really delve into the history of the Award. Just really didn't see how a veteran who has lost limbs and came back and competes in crossfit was beat out. Then again I am biased to being impressed by people who come back from physical injuries like Noah did.

I just think ESPN did it because it's a hot story. I guess this falls into the same category as when Rousey was named most dominant athlete. It comes down to someone's opinion what's more brave, but also who's name is more well known/popular at the moment.

You did  not?

The thing is The Espys don't reaaaaally matter all that much outside of coverage on Sportscenter, so I wouldn't get too worked up about it either way.

Interesting, I got it from an article not social media though. I admit I dropped the ball by not verifying the information by researching the ESPYs, so that was definitely my bad. I do agree that the award really is fairly meaningless in as much as it doesn't take anything into account other than opinion and the fact that Jenner is a hot topic these days.

*edit* Basically it's just a matter of "there is no second place" for the awards, in the end some arguably more deserving individuals were beat out. Of course that would be the case with anyone winning. Obviously, since the award is given purely on a subjective basis it's easy to argue that one person is more deserving than another

I just read there is a petition within the IOC to strip Jenner of her Olympic medals based on her public admission that she's always viewed herself as a woman.  According to the article, the IOC rules state that men and women may not compete against each other and if Jenner considered herself a woman during that time she was violating the rules of competition.

It's not expected to gain much support but does open a Pandora's Box.

I hope that this doesn't happen, because viewing himself as a woman at the time did not make him a woman. It's a fairly ridiculous sounding petition. Even if he had transitioned to a female back then I don't think he would not have been allowed to compete. He was physically and hormonally a male at the time of competition and that's all that should matter.

This is the Pandora box, people that are physically and hormonally a man but view themselves as a woman are arguing that they should be allowed to use female restrooms, etc.  What constitutes the acid test on whether a person is a man or woman, their mental self image or their physical and hormonal makeup.

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Originally Posted by newtogolf

This is the Pandora box, people that are physically and hormonally a man but view themselves as a woman are arguing that they should be allowed to use female restrooms, etc.  What constitutes the acid test on whether a person is a man or woman, their mental self image or their physical and hormonal makeup.

I think it's more clear cut when it comes to sports though. The Olympics have a pretty strict set of conditions which must be met for a transgender person to be able to compete.