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Was faced with a situation earlier in the week and wasn't sure whether I did the right thing. It is a 27 hole public course, 3 separate nines. We were playing an evening 9, myself a friend and my partner, we'd been waiting for the tee to clear for about 15 minutes. I teed off, as did my friend, and my partner was teeing off from the ladies' tees 40 metres down the fairway. A group who had played 9 then approached and demanded to be let through. I know we're a quick group, normally 90-100 mins for 9 holes, and 2 of our 3 balls were in play. I explained this to them we'd already teed off, if we hadn't we'd let them through, that we were a quick group, and if we were holding them up we would let them through. They were not happy with this, said they get priority as they're playing the 10th. I said I understand but we have teed off, there are a couple of groups in front of us so it is not like there will be much difference anyway. They weren't happy with this, the (1 minute) conversation because rather terse as they were rude, to the point where they asked to see the receipt for our green fees to prove we'd paid for our round. At this I decided to leave them and go hit our balls.  In the end we finished more than 2 holes ahead of them, and they were not waiting on us at all except for their first tee shot. The second is a par 3 and we'd cleared the green before they'd putted out on the 1st.

Basically I was wondering was this OK? In future should I let them through? Thanks

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If you had to wait 15 minutes for the tee to clear, there were other groups directly ahead of you and you weren't out of position on the course, you were under no obligation to let them through.  They'd just get caught behind the groups ahead anyway.  Quite frankly, I would have told them to go to hell when they demanded to see your receipt too, and at that point I would have told them to go cry to the marshal/starter if they had a problem with how things were going.  It sounds like they were self-centered a**holes.

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If you had to wait 15 minutes for the tee to clear, there were other groups directly ahead of you and you weren't out of position on the course, you were under no obligation to let them through.  They'd just get caught behind the groups ahead anyway.


Cheers, that is what I figured, but I didn't know and thus was looking for clarification. Their being self-centered doesn't really bother me; if I had not invoked the proper etiquette it would very much have bothered me.

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Mmmm sounds like a typical Collier issue! I think you did the right thing considering you had pretty much all teed off. However IIRC the club has a policy of priority for groups playing 18holes, but then again common sense should prevail, and courtesy as well, they should have just let you go, as you were already in play.

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Is this course policy to send arriving 1st hole players to cut in front of players making the turn?  I understand it's a 27hole course, but if it is, I promise you I wouldn't be a member there.   This is inexcusable and the course is at fault.  This is a recipe for disaster.

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IF it is the course I'm thinking... yes it's a bit unsettling, having people doing 9 or 18 holes. But then it's a public golf course so tee times can get messy, although they normally have a PA/speaker announcing the teams on the 1st tee on each course.

Also, don't forget it's Australia, we're supposed to be more laid back here! (but are we? really?)

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None of it sounds like your fault, but courses need to be mindful of starting people on holes where another group is coming into.

Lately, I've had repeated problems at the home course of starters (or a lack there of) allowing groups to tee off on 10, when my group is finishing nine. The last time, a lack of a starter saw a five-some materialize on the 10th while my three-some was putting on nine. My buddy went ballistic.

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None of it sounds like your fault, but courses need to be mindful of starting people on holes where another group is coming into.

Lately, I've had repeated problems at the home course of starters (or a lack there of) allowing groups to tee off on 10, when my group is finishing nine. The last time, a lack of a starter saw a five-some materialize on the 10th while my three-some was putting on nine. My buddy went ballistic.

LOL...this happened to me this past week.  My home course has a championship 18 and a par3 executive course and sometimes schmucks will sneak off the exec and try to go out on #10 on the big course.   To make matters worse, these were what I call "NON-Golfers".   All complete hacks..........    I called the pro-shop and had them promptly evicted from golf course.

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I hope when you were done you yelled something to that group like, "Hey, jerks, glad we didn't have to play behind you slow a$$es". It is a gentlemen's game. :-)

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I hope when you were done you yelled something to that group like, "Hey, jerks, glad we didn't have to play behind you slow a$$es". It is a gentlemen's game.


Hahahahaha............no free-loaders allowed!!

Actually..........my group Skipped the 10th hole and drove around them.  When I saw these idiot free-loaders, the decision to drive around them was instant. I called the pro-shop to have them evicted from the 11th tee.   They didn't belong, and I ratted them out on principle.

Once we finished the 18th, we went back to play #10.  By this time it was late enough in the evening that we didn't have to worry about cutting in front of anybody making the turn.

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Not sure if this was the case, but it really irks me when my group is making the the turn and you find someone starting on the 10th tee instead of the first tee.....usually is the pro shop's fault for allowing it -   not the case here, it seems since it was a 27 hole facility, but in those courses where I've played, normally they have a 9-hole set aside for those not playing a full round. Doesn't make sense to try to merge in a group between people making the turn.

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Were you sent to that particular 9 by the pro shop? Or did you just pick that one? Was there a starter anywhere?

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Is this course policy to send arriving 1st hole players to cut in front of players making the turn?  I understand it's a 27hole course, but if it is, I promise you I wouldn't be a member there.   This is inexcusable and the course is at fault.  This is a recipe for disaster.

You can't say this without knowing all of the facts.  Where I worked as a starter we didn't squeeze groups between proper tee times - that was not permitted.  But if there was an open time then we would allow a walk-on group to play.  This was true on the back 9 too.

Like this:  There are 18 hole groups playing one after the other, but the 10:03 tee time was not used.  When the 9:54 group makes the turn, there is a theoretical gap before the 10:12 group turns.  Now the way it actually worked is that if the 10:12 group had closed the gap, then I'd have the walk-ons wait for until the inevitable gap did come through, usually only a one or two groups, then I sent the waiting group out.  It is just possible that because of the ebb and flow around the front 9 that the gap wasn't a full tee time  It may have seemed as if it was a squeeze, but in reality it was completely proper, and if there was any fault, it was the group that lagged enough for me to see a gap to send a group out.  Had there been no open tee times that day for 18 hole players, then I would not have sent the walk-ons out at all.

That said, I would also make certain that the 9 hole group was told to tee off promptly and move out smartly to avoid a possible scene like the OP describes.  I once had a guy get in my face for squeezing a group in front of him and he was thoroughly pissed.  When I told him that I did no such thing he called me a liar, said that the group just teeing off on 10 was not the same group he had been following.  I told him that he was correct, but that group was the the one that was two tee times in front of him.  The group directly ahead was only playing 9 holes and had left, and the group on the 10th tee had dawdled at the snack bar, that I had already jumped them and they were supposed to play fast to get back in proper position.  I had the ranger check on them after about 20 minutes and he said that they were back on time and now had a gap behind them.  Problem solved.  Never got an apology from the guy who blew his stack - didn't really expect one.

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I'm a bit confused by all of this and it's an issue I encounter almost weekly. It's probably a case of me not being familiar with playing on a course that's super busy.

I walk 18 on a 9 hole course every Sunday morning. This course is very laid back regarding slow play or large groups and there is no starter or marshall. Because I start early, I usually breeze through the first 9. But when my "turn" coincides with someone starting, I've always considered them to have the right of way, so to speak, and will let them tee off first. It doesn't sound like that's necessarily the practice????

Common sense/courtesy has applied thus far. If it's a larger party, they usually insist on letting me tee off first. If they're ready to go when I get there, I will instead ask to skip the first hole (after they've teed off) with the intention of making hole 1 the last hole of the day. If the course is really busy, I'll call it a day and opt not to play the 2nd 9.

I know my course is not typical, but does anyone see a problem with this practice?

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I'm a bit confused by all of this and it's an issue I encounter almost weekly. It's probably a case of me not being familiar with playing on a course that's super busy.

I walk 18 on a 9 hole course every Sunday morning. This course is very laid back regarding slow play or large groups and there is no starter or marshall. Because I start early, I usually breeze through the first 9. But when my "turn" coincides with someone starting, I've always considered them to have the right of way, so to speak, and will let them tee off first. It doesn't sound like that's necessarily the practice????

Common sense/courtesy has applied thus far. If it's a larger party, they usually insist on letting me tee off first. If they're ready to go when I get there, I will instead ask to skip the first hole (after they've teed off) with the intention of making hole 1 the last hole of the day. If the course is really busy, I'll call it a day and opt not to play the 2nd 9.

I know my course is not typical, but does anyone see a problem with this practice?

Your situation on a 9 hole course is a bit different.  Technically, a "round" on that course is 9 holes, so you would be starting your second "round", and in that case it would make sense to defer to the group that hasn't played yet.

One of the two courses I'm a member at is also a 9 holer, and right of way is quite varied.  Most of the regular members will just automatically allow faster players through.  We also have the luxury of having the tees for the 1st, 3rd and 5th holes all within 100 yards of the clubhouse, so we will often start at any of those tees, and skip around as needed.

Our senior league has shrunk to just 3 groups now, so we always start one group on each of those tees, which puts a full hole between each, so we never have to worry about catching the guys in front of us.

Rick

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When this has happened to me I will point out usually people are decent enough to back off when you point out that we are not the problem the group ahead is.

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Were you sent to that particular 9 by the pro shop? Or did you just pick that one? Was there a starter anywhere?

I directly asked where to go and the pro-shop said any is fine. No starter

However IIRC the club has a policy of priority for groups playing 18holes, but then again common sense should prevail.

This is the case here, the question becomes where does priority begin? Both my and my friends balls were in play, what if we were walking to our balls, what if we were standing over our 2nd shots? If we hadn't teed off yet I'd have let them through but I figured that once we've teed off they wait.

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I directly asked where to go and the pro-shop said any is fine. No starter

This is the case here, the question becomes where does priority begin? Both my and my friends balls were in play, what if we were walking to our balls, what if we were standing over our 2nd shots? If we hadn't teed off yet I'd have let them through but I figured that once we've teed off they wait.

exactly right, your balls are in play, the hole is yours, that is my common sense.

Had there been a few foursomes already waiting, they would have had some kind of priority, that is how I understand it. I see nothing wrong with what you did!

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