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I am thinking the rules officials missed the ferry on this one. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/bubba-watson-argues-with-an-official-about-fire-ants-183654229.html

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Hey this is funny stuff! [QUOTE] Official: It's not fire ants or anything so there's no relief from them. That's basically a loose impediment. Watson: OK, but I have a question for you. Since the animal ... it is an animal, you agree with that? It's burrowing, it's digging a hole. So how would it not be? It's either an ant bed or it's an animal digging hole. It's either one or the other. It can't be both. Official: They're not [classified] as a burrowing animal. Watson: So even though they dig in the ground, they're not considering burrowing? Official: No. Watson: Ok, so they're tunnelmaking. That's what we're calling them this week. I mean, the grass is a loose impediment. No, I got you. So if some guy was allergic to ants and he got an ant on him, you could care less? Official: It's only if it's the dangerous ants. You know like the fire biting ones? Watson: Right. It's all good. Thank you so much.[/QUOTE]

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dkolo Great Member

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I am thinking the rules officials missed the ferry on this one. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/bubba-watson-argues-with-an-official-about-fire-ants-183654229.html

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Burrowing Animal

A “ burrowing animal ” is an animal (other than a worm, insect or the like) that makes a hole for habitation or shelter, such as a rabbit, mole, groundhog, gopher or salamander.

https://usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#Burrowing-Animal

Ants are insects, so they're not burrowing animals under the rules

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Ernest Jones Incredible Member

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Ants are insects, so they're not burrowing animals under the rules

Bubba is a twit. I don't find him funny, just obnoxious.

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DrvFrShow Super Member

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Bubba is technically correct. The largest animal phylum belongs here, the Arthropoda, including insects , spiders, crabs, and their kin. Ants are therefore a burrowing animal. The officials were technically wrong. He should have been allowed a free drop.

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dkolo Great Member

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Bubba is technically correct. The largest animal phylum belongs here, the Arthropoda, including insects, spiders, crabs, and their kin. Ants are therefore a burrowing animal. The officials were technically wrong. He should have been allowed a free drop.

No. Please see the definition of burrowing animal above. Biology doesn't matter here. This is like the Supreme Court case of whether a tomato is a fruit or a vegetable. The biology doesn't matter when there's a more relevant or specific rule to apply.

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Ernest Jones Incredible Member

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Bubba is technically correct. The largest animal phylum belongs here, the Arthropoda, including insects, spiders, crabs, and their kin. Ants are therefore a burrowing animal. The officials were technically wrong. He should have been allowed a free drop.

Maybe so, but the rules of golf specifically exclude them, they don't exclude them from being animals, but they do exclude them from the "burrowing animal" provisions.

Burrowing Animal

A “burrowing animal” is an animal (other than a worm, insect or the like) that makes a hole for habitation or shelter, such as a rabbit, mole, groundhog, gopher or salamander.

https://usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#Burrowing-Animal

EDIT* or, like @dkolo said! :dance:

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Bubba is technically correct. The largest animal phylum belongs here, the Arthropoda, including insects , spiders, crabs, and their kin. Ants are therefore a burrowing animal. The officials were technically wrong. He should have been allowed a free drop.

Sentence I thought I'd never say, "hey did you see Bubba and a Rules official having an arguement over anthropdology and entomology at the USPGA last night."

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I did not get that he called an ant a burrowing animal ... [QUOTE]It's either an ant bed or it's an animal digging hole. It's either one or the other. It can't be both.[/QUOTE]

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dkolo Great Member

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Sentence I thought I'd never say, "hey did you see Bubba and a Rules official having an arguement over anthropdology and entomology at the USPGA last night."

Sadly, the finer points of taxonomy just don't come up on the professional tours these days anymore. In keeping with the general trend online, I blame Tiger Woods.

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Lihu Incredible Member

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This is a fine example of why I like Bubba Watson. (Tunneling animal?) :-D

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Ernest Jones Incredible Member

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I did not get that he called an ant a burrowing animal ...

Official: They're not [classified] as a burrowing animal.

Watson: So even though they dig in the ground, they're not considering burrowing?

Seems like that was what he was angling for. He should wear a clown nose and clown shoes at all times.

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Maybe so, but the rules of golf specifically exclude them, they don't exclude them from being animals, but they do exclude them from the "burrowing animal" provisions.

EDIT* or, like @dkolo said! :dance:

Inects are animals , people are animals. Bubba missed a trick, he should have sought to have the anthill classified as an imovable obstruction- an artificial object (eg a building).

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Seems like that was what he was angling for. He should wear a clown nose and clown shoes at all times.

He was just using the literal meaning of the term burrowing animal and wasn't aware that insects were specifically excluded. I had to look it up, but the rules official there was on it. I totally get where he was coming from on this; it's a tiny parenthetical in the definitions section. The referee could have explained better that that was an explicit exclusion in the rules instead of getting into the talk about ant hills, but he got the right answer.

Inects are animals , people are animals. Bubba missed a trick, he should have sought to have the anthill classified as an imovable obstruction- an artificial object (eg a building).

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DrvFrShow Super Member

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So the big ****ing ant hills that are in the woods around here, you do not get relief? I think the immovable obstruction rule would apply here. I mean in this case they're more like a building. They're about a foot high.

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So the big ****ing ant hills that are in the woods around here, you do not get relief? I think the immovable obstruction rule would apply here. I mean in this case they're more like a building. They're about a foot high.


Are you aware of any genetic experiments being conducted in your area? :-D

EDIT: Wow.

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I am thinking the rules officials missed the ferry on this one. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf-devil-ball-golf/bubba-watson-argues-with-an-official-about-fire-ants-183654229.html

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Burrowing Animal

A “ burrowing animal ” is an animal (other than a worm, insect or the like) that makes a hole for habitation or shelter, such as a rabbit, mole, groundhog, gopher or salamander.

https://usga.org/Rule-Books/Rules-of-Golf/Definitions/#Burrowing-Animal

Ants are insects, so they're not burrowing animals under the rules

Ants, are insects, and are considered animals, just like any rodent. It's a bad rule where ants are concerned.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz;=1C1CHFX_enUS454US455&ion;=1&espv;=2&ie;=UTF-8#q=are%20ants%20animals

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