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Considering Project X shafts, need recommendation

post #1 of 21
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I currently play the Cleveland TA 2 irons with a stiff shaft. My handicap is currently at 3.6 and my swing speed is 116. I am looking for a small increase in distance, as well as a lowering of the trajectory.

I was doing some reading about the Project X shafts and was considering giving them a try. However, I am confused by all the numbers (e.g. 5.0, 6.0., 6.5., 7.0, .355, .370, etc...) and by some of the terms (e.g. "flighted", "non-flighted", "tips spined", etc...).

Also, I am open to any other suggestions for shafts that will help me lower the trajectory of my ball as well as increase distance slightly (5-8 yards).

Any info to help me with this decision would be great!

Thank you for your time,

Roy Harris
royharris@runbox.com
post #2 of 21

Re: Considering Project X shafts, need recommendation

Hi,

the numbers, like 5.5 or 6.0, they indicate the stiffness.
As far as I know the 6.0 are considered as stiff plus. For example the True Temper S300 is between 5.5 and 6.0.

Flighted means that the ball flight will be higher on the long irons and lower on the short irons.

Things like the tip size .335 and so on or that the tips are spinned is a thing for the club makers, so if you want to replace yours, talk to someone who knows what he is doing.

I hope I could help you just a little bit.
post #3 of 21

Re: Considering Project X shafts, need recommendation

Here is a site regarding the general terminology:

http://www.golfalot.com/lucylocket/b...lfshafts.shtml
post #4 of 21

Re: Considering Project X shafts, need recommendation

I would recommend the 6.5 with a 116 mph swing speed, as far as the extra 5 to 8 yards, have you thought about bending your loft 1 degree stronger on each club? that would probably do it.
post #5 of 21

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Is that 116MPH swing with a driver?

You should get measured for the Project X shafts. I've been to a few different stores, Golfsmith, World of Golf, Van's in AZ and neither location was able to offer a mix of shafts nor were they able to bend the lofts and lies during the fitting. However, a good fitter will be able to tweak your shafts and irons as you go. The result is leaving with an exact iron and shaft, ideal for your game.

For what it's worth, I have the Project X shafts 6.0. They're a stiff plus and had some of the irons in my bag, tweaked. Not all, just a few, because of how I wanted to play with those particular irons.
post #6 of 21

Re: Considering Project X shafts, need recommendation

Originally Posted by Roy Harris View Post
I currently play the Cleveland TA 2 irons with a stiff shaft. My handicap is currently at 3.6 and my swing speed is 116. I am looking for a small increase in distance, as well as a lowering of the trajectory.

I was doing some reading about the Project X shafts and was considering giving them a try. However, I am confused by all the numbers (e.g. 5.0, 6.0., 6.5., 7.0, .355, .370, etc...) and by some of the terms (e.g. "flighted", "non-flighted", "tips spined", etc...).

Also, I am open to any other suggestions for shafts that will help me lower the trajectory of my ball as well as increase distance slightly (5-8 yards).

Any info to help me with this decision would be great!

Thank you for your time,

Roy Harris
royharris@runbox.com
In your case I would highly recommend getting fitted. It's good to have your swing speed but there are so many more variables to consider for a good fit. Here is a list of Certified Rifle Centers in CA to help get you on the right start.

Here is some help on your questions.

Flex: 5.0, 5.5, etc Rifle shafts are measured and cut a little different than other shafts. Flex wise a True Temper S300 = 5.75 with a Rifle shaft.

Flighting: Is a process where the launch angle is manipulated, you can read more about it here.

I hope that helps
post #7 of 21
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Re: Considering Project X shafts, need recommendation

AnalogAG,

Thanks so much for your help!

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Matt P,

Thanks a lot. That URL was very helpful.

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neudi,

That's a great piece of advice! I never thought about making the current loft 1 degree stronger on each club. I already have a fairly high trajectory with each club. I guess making certain clubs 1 degree stronger would help with distance! Thanks!!!

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golf_junkie27,

The swing speed listed is with the driver. It is my average speed (my highest was 121 and my lowest was 111).

I got fitted for my driver and three wood a few months ago. The fitting session lasted three hours. At the end, an entire set of clubs was recommended. Because money was on short supply, I only ordered a new driver and a new 3 wood ($1260 for the driver and almost $600 for the 3 wood - granted, the new driver added 30+ yards to my usual 260 yard drive [making me average around 285 yards and hitting 9 to 12 fairways], and the 3 wood added 12 yards to my average 210 yard drive [making me average around 220 yards now and feeling more confident I can hit the tight fairways]).

The guy who fitted me told me the irons would have been another $2800. Since I don't make that kind of money, I decided to look into having my current irons re-shafted. While I am sure the irons that were recommended by this fitting professional would fit my game to a tee, spending $2800 is not something I can afford to do right now (or in my immediate future).

So, getting fit for the Project X shafts sounds like a great idea!

Thanks.

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Everardo,

I will definitely get fitted.

Thanks for the info and the URL!

Based upon what I've read thus far, I don't think the flighted shafts are for me. I already hit the ball pretty high with the TT S300 shafts - which is fine with me. However, on windy days, the ball flight kills my distance.

Thanks again for the info!

Roy Harris
post #8 of 21

Re: Considering Project X shafts, need recommendation

i don't understand how can you clubs cost so much...
post #9 of 21
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Re: Considering Project X shafts, need recommendation

The Taylormade r7 superquad driver, brand new, when it first came out, costed $750. The Diamana shaft costed $300 (http://www.clubmaker-online.com/diamana.html). The Winn oversized grip costed $8. Plus, the fitting company charged a hefty fee for ordering, shipping and assembling this club.

Good clubs cost money! While I have definitely see the difference in my game, I had to change my mind about the way I viewed spending all of this money. Instead of focusing on how much money I paid, I am focusing on the benefits I have received from getting fitted. What are they? Consider the following:

1. Without swinging harder, I hit my drives 20 to 40 yards farther. That's not too bad, considering the fact that before the fitting session, my drives averaged around 260 yards. Now, they average around 285 yards. I have even hit a few 340 yards!

2. I am now hitting more fairways. In the past, I used to average 6 to 8 fairways. Now, I am averaging 10 or 11 fairways per round.

3. Because I am hitting the ball farther, I am now hitting a shorter iron into the greens, which means my ball is ending up closer to the hole on second and third shots.

4. Because I am hitting a shorter iron into a green, and because my ball is ending up closer to the hole on the second and third shots, my scores are lowering. The first time I went out and used the driver, I shot 71 on a par 71 course. My second round was 68 (par 72). My third round was 71 (par 71). My fourth round was 73 (par 71). My fifth round was 69 (par 71).

My work schedule got busy for two months and I had to lay off of golf for eight weeks. That hurt, cuz I am now shooting in the mid 70's again (73 to 76). Now that I am practicing again, my numbers are improving.

5. As a result of having this new driver and spending considerable amounts of time with it at the driving range, I now have confidence on the tee with my driver......and that's a great feeling!

So, while I did pay a lot of money for this driver, I am also reaping MAJOR BENEFITS from having paid so much for a new piece of technology that really has helped my game.

Now, if I can do something similar with a new set of irons, I will be all set! $2800 seems like a lot of money to spend. However, I am curious if I can spend a lot less (maybe just $1200) and notice a similar improvement. While technology will not be the main factor (practice will be), I want to use technology to help me accomplish my goals!

Here's an interesting side note:

Several years ago (2002 to be exact), I did not believe in golf technology. I thought, "Why get fitted? Why spend all that money? All golf clubs are pretty much the same, anyways.....right?" Well, then I met a guy at a local driving range who fitted clubs. He tried hard to get me to try some new clubs. Of course, I didn't want to try anything new because I was satisfied with the clubs I had. Plus, I thought he was trying to get me to spend some of my hard earned money!

Well, one day I decided to give in and try a few clubs - mainly out of curiousity. This fitting guy spent four hours with me and never once asked me to buy anything. That was the first thing that impressed me!

The second thing that impressed me was his knowledge of clubs. In just two short hours, he had found three sets of irons (Mizuno, Bridgestone and Cleveland) and a couple of sets of woods (Titleist and Bridgestone) that helped me hit the ball farther and straighter.

What's interesting is the fitter did not put me on a launch monitor or anything. He simply guided me by my swing and my ball flight.

After allowing me to hit all those clubs, and after spending all of that time with me, the fitter simply closed up shop and went home. I was impressed. However, I was also curious about these new clubs!

Fast forward six months. I could no longer take it. I had to purchase these new clubs (irons and driver). I spent $800 on the Bridgestone driver and three wood, and about $1000 on the Cleveland irons. Boy, did they help my game.

That was 2002. Fast forward to 2007. Since the guy who fitted me no longer worked at the driving range I frequent, I decide to give another fitter a try; This time, a very popular fitter in Los Angeles (I live in San Diego). I drive two hours to get there, have my three hour fitting session and walk out the door with an order for a $1260 for the driver and $600 for the 3 wood. Whew....

I wait two weeks for my order to come in, and then it arrives. I take it out to the range and am banging it off the range mats. I make slight adjustments to my swing and set up and get ready to use it with some friends the following week.

I show up with the new driver and everyone is curious to see how I hit it. I set up, waggle, waggle, waggle, and then BOOOM, I crack one 312 yard down the middle of the fairway. Of course, my playing buddies want to take a look at the driver and see what kind it is. I smile, head right to my cart and say, "Don't touch!" It was a great feeling....... It was even better when I shot 68 with them!

Roy Harris
post #10 of 21

Re: Considering Project X shafts, need recommendation

OK, the driver is one thing an the 3 wood as well because of the expansive shafts. I mean, consider buying just the regular SuperQuad TP and you have to pay 800$.

But hey common, are you getting handcrafted and handforged irons or what?

I paid for my irons 900$ with the shaft upgrade and the grip upgrade.
What would you like to have to ask 2800$ for a set of irons?
post #11 of 21

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The r7 superquad didn't even cost 450 where I live when it first came out, do you live in Antarctica and shipping costs 400 dollars?
post #12 of 21

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nowadays, fitter don't usually charge any fees when you order clubs from them.
he seems to know his stuff but he might be over charging you
post #13 of 21

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Originally Posted by AnalogAG View Post
OK, the driver is one thing an the 3 wood as well because of the expansive shafts. I mean, consider buying just the regular SuperQuad TP and you have to pay 800$.

But hey common, are you getting handcrafted and handforged irons or what?

I paid for my irons 900$ with the shaft upgrade and the grip upgrade.
What would you like to have to ask 2800$ for a set of irons?

Analog,

You would be surprised how easy it is to spend $2800 for a set. How many irons? Are they being pured? Are they being bent a degree stronger/weaker? Is each iron being worked on to play a particular way?

When I upgraded the shafts on my mizunos, the work cost me a little more than $500. Had I purchased the irons, new, the set would have cost me over $1700.

Take a look at some higher end brands like Miura, for example. Some sites charge almost $1000 for the heads, alone.
post #14 of 21

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Originally Posted by golf_junkie27 View Post
Analog,
When I upgraded the shafts on my mizunos, the work cost me a little more than $500. Had I purchased the irons, new, the set would have cost me over $1700.
What is so special about your set that it would have cost 1700$

I paid an upcharge of 80$ for getting the projectx instead of the standard dynamic gold!
In addition I have 1 deg upright and 0.5 inch longer than stnadard!

This was a normal custom order with fitting!
post #15 of 21
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This discussion has lead me to believe that a standard fitting session is not so standard. I am curious how each of you were fitted. Here's what happened during my fitting session:

1. My initial warm up was done by a Power Plate (

http://us.powerplate.com/EN/). This was the first time I had ever experienced anything like this. Definitely warmed me up in 60 seconds! I can now understand why NASA and professional athletes use such a machine to warm up. It feels like cheating.

2. Next, I continued my warm up by hitting several balls with my pitching wedge.

3. Next, a bunch of electronic gear was strapped onto my body, and I was told to swing one of the irons. Then, I swung one of their drivers.

4. Next, I swung the electronic gear with my clubs while the launch monitor and other equipment gauged and recorded my swings.

5. Next, the fitter went over "the numbers" on his computer. He explained what was good, what was not so good and how he was going to try and help me find the right equipment to help me reach optimal numbers.

6. Next, the fitter taught me some subtle details on improving my stance and address position for driving. While these were awkward at first, they definitely gave me greater swing speed without me swinging any harder. I was impressed! Who would have thought an address position would increase swing speed????

7. Next, he showed me an instructional book where this address position was mentioned. I read a little of the book and then played with it for about 15 minutes.

8. Next, he gave me a break. He gave me a bottle of water, a Gatorade and a protein bar. He said, relax while I go get some gear.

9. After 10 minutes or so, he came back with an assembled driver (i.e. various pieces from various clubmakers). I hit quite a few balls while the launch monitor recorded everything and the fitter made observations. He told me there were improvements in my numbers, but not what he expected. So, he left the room again and was gone for another 10 minutes or so. We continued this testing of various shaft, head and grip combinations for quite some time. Finally, he found a combination that gave me the numbers he was looking for: The Taylormade SuperQuad head with a Diamana shaft that is 45.5 inches long, and an oversized G8 Winn grip.
NOTE: Keep in mind, this fitter is not loyal to one clubmaker. Rather, he is loyal to helping his customers finding the right clubs for their swings. For example, the drivers that gave me the best numbers were a toss up between two manufacturers (Taylormade and Titleist). The irons that gave me the best numbers were a toss up between three manufacturers. In the end, I got the best mix of equipment. 10. Next, we worked on finding the right set of irons for my swing. Again, we worked on finding the right combination of head, shaft and grip. After 30 minutes or so, the fitter had found the right mix that gave me the right numbers.

11. Next, we worked on finding the right ball for the new clubs. After hitting Titleists, Taylormades, Slazengers, Precepts, Topflights and others, the fitter found the best ball for the new clubs.

12. Finally, we went over to a new machine and worked on putting for about 30 minutes. Turns out, I had the best putter for my putting stroke. However, a weighted insert was added to my shaft to help me stabilize the putter. After a little over three hours of testing, I had finished my fitting session and was waiting for the results. I hung out at the putting green and waited for the fitter to come back with the results.

He handed me a piece of paper that had $4000+ worth of recommended equipment on it. We sat down and went over each club, inch by inch.

I finished by reaching into my wallet, gave him my credit card, payed for the fitting session ($250 for three hours) and paid him for the new woods. I was a bit timid at spending that much money, but I had to trust somebody.

Two week later, I had the clubs. Two weeks after receiving and playing with them, I was a VERY HAPPY MAN!

So, is this the kind of experience all of you have had? Have you had similar experiences? More was done? Less was done? Give me the details. I'd like to compare what I received (and paid for) to what you receive (and paid for).

Thanks,

Roy Harris
post #16 of 21
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Re: Considering Project X shafts, need recommendation

One more thing I forgot to mention:

I am sure the fact that this fitter is located on the West Coast and in a very nice part of town added to the cost of the equipment!

I experience this in my own industry (I teach martial arts for a living). People ask me how much money I charge for group classes or private lessons. When I tell them, they fall over in shock. They can't believe I can get away with charging that much. When I tell them what other schools charge in San Diego (most schools are higher in price than my school), and when I tell them my outgoing expenses each month are well over $4000, they sit in disbelief.

So, while I am sure that I paid a lot more for my driver and three wood than others around the country would have paid for theirs, I do have to factor in the cost of living here on the West Coast, plus the location of the fitter's business.

In the final analysis, I got what I paid for: A great set of woods that have helped me by lowering my scores, on average, by two to four strokes (because they have put me in fairways more often and have put me closer to the greens on my first and second shots). When I put in another 200 to 300 hours of practice with them (along with my lob wedge and putter), I am sure they will take off another two to four stroke off my game!!! That should get me in tournament shape.

Roy Harris
post #17 of 21

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To answer your original question I have been playing golf for 40+ years and most of those years I used True Temper shafts, specifically the S300 Dynamic Golds. I recently switched to the Project X 6.0 and I can feel and see the difference in my shot making especially in the short irons. I will be putting the Project X's in my backup set, the MP32's.
post #18 of 21

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that's a very detailed fitting session...
sounds like one of those for pros
here's what happened during my iron fitting at a retail store:
went in and started warming up by hitting some balls w/ any 6 iron at the simulator
the guy just picked some clubs off the shelves for me to hit at the simulator
he looked at the ball speed, launch angle, distance, ball flight from the simulator
after trying i don't know how many clubs, he suggested the best value with the best results
then went to check lie, length with ping clubs hitting off lie board.
checked grip size with a chart from ping
i picked whichever grip that i like
ordered clubs according to the ping spec
done
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