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	<title>Comments on: Best State in the States</title>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/the_numbers_game/best_state_in_the_states#comment-1610</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 00:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually played a lot of college tournaments in New York up in Binghamton, Albany and Colgate. And John, I don&#039;t think that I&#039;m on a high horse if I admit that I have a problem.

I know there are a lot of great golf courses outside of the Carolinas, that was the purpose to the last few statements in my article. I want people to tell me where they think the great golf is...outside the Carolinas. I did not mean to insinuate that the Carolinas are #1 and everything else is playing for second place.

That being said, your statement about older courses baffles me. So I&#039;m to consider courses outside of the Carolinas, and if they are older, that makes them better? So are Murfield and Harbor Town and the other 12 Nicklaus courses designed before 1980 the only ones to be considered and not his 260 others? I don&#039;t think we should rule out newer courses because they don&#039;t have the &quot;charm&quot; of older ones.

Thanks for your comments. I know I speak for our entire staff whe I say that we are looking for more readers like yourself to make comments and state their opinions. It makes for good reading and banter.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually played a lot of college tournaments in New York up in Binghamton, Albany and Colgate. And John, I don't think that I'm on a high horse if I admit that I have a problem.</p>
<p>I know there are a lot of great golf courses outside of the Carolinas, that was the purpose to the last few statements in my article. I want people to tell me where they think the great golf is...outside the Carolinas. I did not mean to insinuate that the Carolinas are #1 and everything else is playing for second place.</p>
<p>That being said, your statement about older courses baffles me. So I'm to consider courses outside of the Carolinas, and if they are older, that makes them better? So are Murfield and Harbor Town and the other 12 Nicklaus courses designed before 1980 the only ones to be considered and not his 260 others? I don't think we should rule out newer courses because they don't have the "charm" of older ones.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. I know I speak for our entire staff whe I say that we are looking for more readers like yourself to make comments and state their opinions. It makes for good reading and banter.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2005 13:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what if North and South Carolina didn&#039;t make the list? It may be a great golf destination, but maybe it&#039;s just because it&#039;s got a big collection of &quot;adequate&quot; golf courses. With only 100 on the list, I can see how courses built longer than 25 years ago (with the exception of Pinehurst and a few others) can be seen as &quot;better&quot; - i.e. those in New York in particular.

Get off your high horse, buddy, and consider something outside of a 100-mile circle from your house. How many courses have you even seen in NY and Cali if you&#039;re from NC?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what if North and South Carolina didn't make the list? It may be a great golf destination, but maybe it's just because it's got a big collection of "adequate" golf courses. With only 100 on the list, I can see how courses built longer than 25 years ago (with the exception of Pinehurst and a few others) can be seen as "better" - i.e. those in New York in particular.</p>
<p>Get off your high horse, buddy, and consider something outside of a 100-mile circle from your house. How many courses have you even seen in NY and Cali if you're from NC?</p>
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		<title>By: GolfBlogger</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/the_numbers_game/best_state_in_the_states#comment-1608</link>
		<dc:creator>GolfBlogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No surprise that Michigan is near the top. We have more than 800 courses here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprise that Michigan is near the top. We have more than 800 courses here.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/the_numbers_game/best_state_in_the_states#comment-1607</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. The other surprise was Illinois.  Another state I would never have thought to see that many courses on the list.

I should be able to gather the info to do what you are talking about.  It may take a while, but would make for interesting talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. The other surprise was Illinois.  Another state I would never have thought to see that many courses on the list.</p>
<p>I should be able to gather the info to do what you are talking about.  It may take a while, but would make for interesting talk.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik J. Barzeski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik J. Barzeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2005 23:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Florida can&#039;t even beat out Illinois? Or Ohio? Or Nevada or Hawaii? Hmmm&#8230;

Tell you what would be interesting - a graph plotting a course&#039;s age or length or slope or some other basic facts on the 100 list. I wonder if you&#039;d spot a fitted line that showed that shorter courses rated more poorly. Because, for a long time, course difficulty and length were &lt;em&gt;big&lt;/em&gt; factors. Golf Digest says they&#039;ve moved away from using difficulty as such a heavily weighted factor, but how much have they moved away from this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florida can't even beat out Illinois? Or Ohio? Or Nevada or Hawaii? Hmmm&hellip;</p>
<p>Tell you what would be interesting - a graph plotting a course's age or length or slope or some other basic facts on the 100 list. I wonder if you'd spot a fitted line that showed that shorter courses rated more poorly. Because, for a long time, course difficulty and length were <em>big</em> factors. Golf Digest says they've moved away from using difficulty as such a heavily weighted factor, but how much have they moved away from this?</p>
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