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		<title>By: Shane Henrie</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/thrash_talk/2007_masters_aftermath#comment-5286</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane Henrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing I have to say is that I feel like they&#039;ve focused too much on keeping long hitters from easily reaching greens. Lengthening holes and putting hazards in front of greens makes it so that shorter hitters like a Corey Pavin style player can&#039;t reach it in two without hitting a fairway wood, which means it will roll off the back because the hazards in front of the green keep them from running their shot onto the green for a putting opportunity.  I&#039;d rather see them focus on making the course maybe narrower, leaving the risk/reward in place of taking a chance on bombing a driver off the tee.  If they hit it straight then they are rewarding for a good shot however if it doesnâ€™t go straight, the rough will make it tough to get a par or possibly a bogie.  I think itâ€™s much more entertaining to watch golfers be rewarded with below par scores for precisely hit golf shots rather than playing great golf all day to barely scrape by with pars.  I feel as beat up after watching it as the players look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I have to say is that I feel like they've focused too much on keeping long hitters from easily reaching greens. Lengthening holes and putting hazards in front of greens makes it so that shorter hitters like a Corey Pavin style player can't reach it in two without hitting a fairway wood, which means it will roll off the back because the hazards in front of the green keep them from running their shot onto the green for a putting opportunity.  I'd rather see them focus on making the course maybe narrower, leaving the risk/reward in place of taking a chance on bombing a driver off the tee.  If they hit it straight then they are rewarding for a good shot however if it doesnâ€™t go straight, the rough will make it tough to get a par or possibly a bogie.  I think itâ€™s much more entertaining to watch golfers be rewarded with below par scores for precisely hit golf shots rather than playing great golf all day to barely scrape by with pars.  I feel as beat up after watching it as the players look.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/thrash_talk/2007_masters_aftermath#comment-5269</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;5255&quot;]And &lt;a href=&quot;http://thesandtrap.com/extras/swing_thoughts/the_cheers_have_left_augusta#comment-5205&quot;&gt;we have&lt;/a&gt;. I only added three comments there, but among the others: Davis Love II, Jack Nicklaus, Arnold Palmer, and Gary Player added comments. So too did many other players.[/quote]

You can add Geoff Ogilvy, Robert Allenby, and Nick O&#039;Hern to that list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quote_header"><a  href="http://thesandtrap.com/columns/thrash_talk/2007_masters_aftermath#comment-5255">Erik J. Barzeski said</a> on April 12, 2007:</p>
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And <a  href="http://thesandtrap.com/extras/swing_thoughts/the_cheers_have_left_augusta#comment-5205">we have</a>. I only added three comments there, but among the others: Davis Love II, Jack Nicklaus, Arnold Palmer, and Gary Player added comments. So too did many other players.</p>
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<p>You can add Geoff Ogilvy, Robert Allenby, and Nick O'Hern to that list.</p>
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		<title>By: Marty Strumpf</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/thrash_talk/2007_masters_aftermath#comment-5267</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty Strumpf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 21:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very conflicted. Obviously the tournament committee watered the greens Saturday night to give the players a better chance to hold the greens. The committee also showed some good sense by moving the tee up a bit on 15 and on 17 by moving the pin away from it&#039;s traditional difficult Sunday position and by placing it in a more accessible spot. These subtle changes helped to create a typical topsy-turvy Sunday Masters finish with lots of leaderboard movement. The champion and those making the biggest moves produced rounds of 3 under par. Not a super-low round but a great score under final round major championship pressure. If Tiger could have produced a similar great round........but he did not.

Here is my conflict: Why didn&#039;t they move the tee up on 15 even further to give EVERYONE a chance at reaching it in 2? Why didn&#039;t they make these changes earlier? I really think there would have been a lot more buzz for Sunday&#039;s finish if Saturday had been less of a demolition derby.

The biggest gripes I have about the recent changes to the course involve 2 things which I think relate to the discussion of &quot;Masters Aftermath&quot;:

1. The Rough-with funky buried elephant hump greens, adding this &quot;first and second cut&quot; has taken away from one of the elements that made the Masters stand out from the other majors. The need for excruciatingly accurate iron shots.

Most every golf fan is intimately familiar with the Augusta National course since it is the only host for this event. Because of this, most every golf fan knows where you can and can&#039;t hit it on most of the greens. That was the fun of watching. I didn&#039;t care where a player drove it. I wanted to see if the player could hit that iron shot into that little 3 square foot area that represented the ONLY place that would enable him to get the ball close for a birdie try. If he didn&#039;t, he&#039;d have everything he could handle to make par. This separated the Masters from the other majors where the premium is more on keeping the ball in play. The addition of this rough has put too much of an emphasis on driving FOR THIS EVENT.

2. The changes to #15-Remember all the controversy when Chip Beck laid up from a hanging lie and eventually lost to Bernhard Langer? How about when Seve dunked it after hearing the roar for Jack on 16? This hole was even more of a risk-reward than 13! Not anymore. I agree that the 3rd shot in has a chance of spinning back into the water if not hit with the proper distance/spin combo. But I don&#039;t find that nearly as exciting as waiting to see if a long iron, hybrid, or fairway wood  is going to come to rest on the surface or run long leaving a tough up and down.

Zach Johnson played some inspired final round major championship golf and is a deserving champion. I just think the golf course if set up differently is a theater that can provide a lot more drama than it did this week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm very conflicted. Obviously the tournament committee watered the greens Saturday night to give the players a better chance to hold the greens. The committee also showed some good sense by moving the tee up a bit on 15 and on 17 by moving the pin away from it's traditional difficult Sunday position and by placing it in a more accessible spot. These subtle changes helped to create a typical topsy-turvy Sunday Masters finish with lots of leaderboard movement. The champion and those making the biggest moves produced rounds of 3 under par. Not a super-low round but a great score under final round major championship pressure. If Tiger could have produced a similar great round........but he did not.</p>
<p>Here is my conflict: Why didn't they move the tee up on 15 even further to give EVERYONE a chance at reaching it in 2? Why didn't they make these changes earlier? I really think there would have been a lot more buzz for Sunday's finish if Saturday had been less of a demolition derby.</p>
<p>The biggest gripes I have about the recent changes to the course involve 2 things which I think relate to the discussion of "Masters Aftermath":</p>
<p>1. The Rough-with funky buried elephant hump greens, adding this "first and second cut" has taken away from one of the elements that made the Masters stand out from the other majors. The need for excruciatingly accurate iron shots.</p>
<p>Most every golf fan is intimately familiar with the Augusta National course since it is the only host for this event. Because of this, most every golf fan knows where you can and can't hit it on most of the greens. That was the fun of watching. I didn't care where a player drove it. I wanted to see if the player could hit that iron shot into that little 3 square foot area that represented the ONLY place that would enable him to get the ball close for a birdie try. If he didn't, he'd have everything he could handle to make par. This separated the Masters from the other majors where the premium is more on keeping the ball in play. The addition of this rough has put too much of an emphasis on driving FOR THIS EVENT.</p>
<p>2. The changes to #15-Remember all the controversy when Chip Beck laid up from a hanging lie and eventually lost to Bernhard Langer? How about when Seve dunked it after hearing the roar for Jack on 16? This hole was even more of a risk-reward than 13! Not anymore. I agree that the 3rd shot in has a chance of spinning back into the water if not hit with the proper distance/spin combo. But I don't find that nearly as exciting as waiting to see if a long iron, hybrid, or fairway wood  is going to come to rest on the surface or run long leaving a tough up and down.</p>
<p>Zach Johnson played some inspired final round major championship golf and is a deserving champion. I just think the golf course if set up differently is a theater that can provide a lot more drama than it did this week.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Waddell</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/thrash_talk/2007_masters_aftermath#comment-5256</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Waddell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason wrote:&lt;blockquote&gt;After everyone&#039;s round they all commented that the course was playing fair, there were hardly any negative comments by the players, had it been so difficult and unfair we would have heard from a few players for sure.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually a surprisingly large number of players complained including Stenson, Crenshaw and others. Surprising because they usually hold their tongue trying to be gracious to their hosts and respectful to the genteel nature of the event.

Here are some snippets from a post-Masters, pre-Heritage interview Davis Love III gave that I find very telling:

&lt;blockquote&gt;They&#039;ve taken the scoring and the fun out of the golf course and made it -- they hate the comparison, they&#039;ve made it like a U.S. Open rather than a Masters...

...If I was a fan, I would be -- I think as a Tour, we can&#039;t control the majors, but as a Tour we have to be real careful with our Players Championship and our course setups, that we don&#039;t fall into that trap, because most people don&#039;t want to watch pros putt for pars on TV. I think we&#039;ve got to be real careful about that and make sure there&#039;s some risk-reward. There&#039;s no risk-reward on laying up on 15 every day or laying up on 2 every day or 8. It&#039;s just wedging in. Long putts for birdies or short putts for par, I think we have to be real careful about that....

...That&#039;s the thing, at a major now, if the weather is bad they go ridiculous, rather than just from 13-under to 7-under, it goes to average scores of 77s and 78s. And you know if the pros are averaging 77 or 78, the course is probably not fair. It&#039;s probably over the edge.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I couldn&#039;t agree with Davis more. They have taken the fun out of it because they&#039;re trying to protect par instead of setting a stage for risk and reward, for greatness and for failure. What we had this week was pure grind. While that has its place (see U.S. Open), it doesn&#039;t belong at Augusta National.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>After everyone's round they all commented that the course was playing fair, there were hardly any negative comments by the players, had it been so difficult and unfair we would have heard from a few players for sure.</p>
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<p>Actually a surprisingly large number of players complained including Stenson, Crenshaw and others. Surprising because they usually hold their tongue trying to be gracious to their hosts and respectful to the genteel nature of the event.</p>
<p>Here are some snippets from a post-Masters, pre-Heritage interview Davis Love III gave that I find very telling:</p>
<blockquote><p>They've taken the scoring and the fun out of the golf course and made it -- they hate the comparison, they've made it like a U.S. Open rather than a Masters...</p>
<p>...If I was a fan, I would be -- I think as a Tour, we can't control the majors, but as a Tour we have to be real careful with our Players Championship and our course setups, that we don't fall into that trap, because most people don't want to watch pros putt for pars on TV. I think we've got to be real careful about that and make sure there's some risk-reward. There's no risk-reward on laying up on 15 every day or laying up on 2 every day or 8. It's just wedging in. Long putts for birdies or short putts for par, I think we have to be real careful about that....</p>
<p>...That's the thing, at a major now, if the weather is bad they go ridiculous, rather than just from 13-under to 7-under, it goes to average scores of 77s and 78s. And you know if the pros are averaging 77 or 78, the course is probably not fair. It's probably over the edge.</p>
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<p>I couldn't agree with Davis more. They have taken the fun out of it because they're trying to protect par instead of setting a stage for risk and reward, for greatness and for failure. What we had this week was pure grind. While that has its place (see U.S. Open), it doesn't belong at Augusta National.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik J. Barzeski</title>
		<link>http://thesandtrap.com/columns/thrash_talk/2007_masters_aftermath#comment-5255</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik J. Barzeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:58:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;5253&quot;]After everyone&#039;s round they all commented that the course was playing fair, there were hardly any negative comments by the players, had it been so difficult and unfair we would have heard from a few players for sure.[/quote]

And &lt;a href=&quot;http://thesandtrap.com/extras/swing_thoughts/the_cheers_have_left_augusta#comment-5205&quot;&gt;we have&lt;/a&gt;. I only added three comments there, but among the others: Davis Love II, Jack Nicklaus, Arnold Palmer, and Gary Player added comments. So too did many other players.

That&#039;s surprising, given that players typically won&#039;t say bad things about Augusta National both a) out of deference to Augusta, Bobby Jones, and all things holy in the game of golf, and b) complaining about a course on which you&#039;re competing is typically not advisable from a &quot;positive outlook&quot; or a &quot;sports psychology&quot; perspective. That only makes the many complaints that &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; surface all the more surprising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="quote_header"><a  href="http://thesandtrap.com/columns/thrash_talk/2007_masters_aftermath#comment-5253">Puttin4Bird (Jason) said</a> on April 12, 2007:</p>
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After everyone's round they all commented that the course was playing fair, there were hardly any negative comments by the players, had it been so difficult and unfair we would have heard from a few players for sure.</p>
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<p>And <a  href="http://thesandtrap.com/extras/swing_thoughts/the_cheers_have_left_augusta#comment-5205">we have</a>. I only added three comments there, but among the others: Davis Love II, Jack Nicklaus, Arnold Palmer, and Gary Player added comments. So too did many other players.</p>
<p>That's surprising, given that players typically won't say bad things about Augusta National both a) out of deference to Augusta, Bobby Jones, and all things holy in the game of golf, and b) complaining about a course on which you're competing is typically not advisable from a "positive outlook" or a "sports psychology" perspective. That only makes the many complaints that <em>did</em> surface all the more surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: Puttin4Bird (Jason)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Puttin4Bird (Jason)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article Cody!  I also feel that this year&#039;s Masters was a solid B+ or A-, sure the course played tough but it wasn&#039;t overly ridiculous like say the US Open at Shinnecock was it?  The players were tested to the max, what&#039;s wrong with that?  I think there were still good scores to be had if a player shot well.  After everyone&#039;s round they all commented that the course was playing fair, there were hardly any negative comments by the players, had it been so difficult and unfair we would have heard from a few players for sure.

Being an Iowa native myself I am super happy with the result, obviously going into it I didn&#039;t expect Zach to do well so I would never have picked him, but once he started showing up toward to the top of the leader board on the weekend I was super pumped for him.  I hope he continues his good play and has some success in the remaining majors this year.  I think his confidence is going to soar now and he may very well turn into a completely different player.  He&#039;s definitely going to be a staple at future President&#039;s and Ryder Cup events!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Cody!  I also feel that this year's Masters was a solid B+ or A-, sure the course played tough but it wasn't overly ridiculous like say the US Open at Shinnecock was it?  The players were tested to the max, what's wrong with that?  I think there were still good scores to be had if a player shot well.  After everyone's round they all commented that the course was playing fair, there were hardly any negative comments by the players, had it been so difficult and unfair we would have heard from a few players for sure.</p>
<p>Being an Iowa native myself I am super happy with the result, obviously going into it I didn't expect Zach to do well so I would never have picked him, but once he started showing up toward to the top of the leader board on the weekend I was super pumped for him.  I hope he continues his good play and has some success in the remaining majors this year.  I think his confidence is going to soar now and he may very well turn into a completely different player.  He's definitely going to be a staple at future President's and Ryder Cup events!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Waddell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Waddell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 14:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; That&#039;s what made things even sweeter for a fan like myself. Contrary to what some believe, I don&#039;t dislike Tiger Woods at all.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

While I&#039;m probably closer to your opinion of Tiger than Erik&#039;s, it isn&#039;t sweet to watch anyone struggle so, especially the world&#039;s best. This was nothing like the DiMarco/Woods duel when both players were at their very best, going head to head, and hitting quality shots on a very difficult golf course.

There are Yankees fans and then fans who root for whomever is playing the Yankees. We&#039;re sort of the latter when it comes to Woods, I guess. But I don&#039;t find it very satisfying to see him lose when he&#039;s not close to displaying his remarkable talents.

I also don&#039;t think he &quot;crumbled.&quot; He was more mechanically or physicially challenged than mentally so... which is what &quot;crumbled&quot; implies to me.

The course was fair only because everyone had to play the same setup. But the fact is, the way it&#039;s laid out now and the way it was conditioned the first three days, the green jackets took away the ability of the world&#039;s best players to display their awesome talent and our ability to enjoy them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> That's what made things even sweeter for a fan like myself. Contrary to what some believe, I don't dislike Tiger Woods at all.</p>
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<p>While I'm probably closer to your opinion of Tiger than Erik's, it isn't sweet to watch anyone struggle so, especially the world's best. This was nothing like the DiMarco/Woods duel when both players were at their very best, going head to head, and hitting quality shots on a very difficult golf course.</p>
<p>There are Yankees fans and then fans who root for whomever is playing the Yankees. We're sort of the latter when it comes to Woods, I guess. But I don't find it very satisfying to see him lose when he's not close to displaying his remarkable talents.</p>
<p>I also don't think he "crumbled." He was more mechanically or physicially challenged than mentally so... which is what "crumbled" implies to me.</p>
<p>The course was fair only because everyone had to play the same setup. But the fact is, the way it's laid out now and the way it was conditioned the first three days, the green jackets took away the ability of the world's best players to display their awesome talent and our ability to enjoy them.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik J. Barzeski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik J. Barzeski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tiger didn&#039;t crumble. He simply never had his game the entire week. A crumble is a different thing entirely - Norman in &#039;96 or something.

As for Augusta, shouldn&#039;t the fact that only &lt;em&gt;one&lt;/em&gt; top professional golfer was able to shoot under par (and not even in the 60s) on &lt;em&gt;moving day&lt;/em&gt; tell you something? You can&#039;t blame the weather for the hard greens. Augusta has had hoses and sprinklers for a few years now&#8230; :smile:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tiger didn't crumble. He simply never had his game the entire week. A crumble is a different thing entirely - Norman in '96 or something.</p>
<p>As for Augusta, shouldn't the fact that only <em>one</em> top professional golfer was able to shoot under par (and not even in the 60s) on <em>moving day</em> tell you something? You can't blame the weather for the hard greens. Augusta has had hoses and sprinklers for a few years now&hellip; <img src='http://thesandtrap.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':smile:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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