It's arguable that if she 'turns in' an unsigned scorecard that she has in fact turned in nothing at all, (as if I had paid you with an unsigned check) meaning that if she subsequently signs a card and turns it in that action could be coinsidered to the first 'turn in'.

I'm sorry, but no. If you've "turned in" your card per the rules, you've turned in your card. You've not "not turned in" something and you've not "turned in nothing." If your "turned in" card lacks a signature, per the Rules of Golf, "too bad, so sad" for you. The current rules have no ambiguity. They're clear, concise, and easy to understand.

'In other words, the Rules of Golf require that you "turn in" a properly signed scorecard. The LPGA defines when "turning in" the card occurs.'

It's arguable that if she 'turns in' an unsigned scorecard that she has in fact turned in nothing at all, (as if I had paid you with an unsigned check) meaning that if she subsequently signs a card and turns it in that action could be coinsidered to the first 'turn in'.

I can see the value of a rule against signing an incorrect card, but on this one I don't see who or what benefits.

So I ask again: what is the rule that states you must sign cards in a particular area designed to prevent or control?

The USGA Rules of Golf stipulate that a card must be signed when it is turned in (rule 6-6). The LPGA further defines when you've turned your scorecard in as "when you leave the scoring area." It's pretty clear.

In other words, the Rules of Golf require that you "turn in" a properly signed scorecard. The LPGA defines when "turning in" the card occurs.

The Rules of Golf seek to eliminate as many "grey areas" as possible, and any of the possible rules revisions people have proposed to "fix" this rule introduce grey areas or unnecessary complexity. It's not like this rule has tripped up more than about, oh, one person in the past ten years.

I disagree that it's a stupid rule. Your signature means something, and the way it's currently defined, it's very clear when you've turned your scorecard in. Furthermore, the rule has to work for a junior golf tournament, a club championship or member-guest, and pro events as well.

I do agree that the LPGA failed its fans and its players by not having an official in the tent.

foundational.huh??

Yeah but my birthday card isn't rendered invalid because I didn't sign it within a specially designated fenced off area.

You are lacking a Wie bit of relevance, here, my man.

foundational.huh??

Yeah but my birthday card isn't rendered invalid because I didn't sign it within a specially designated fenced off area.

Thanks for backing me up on that one Mark.

Whether or not you sign the card inside or outside a designated area makes no difference as long as you sign your name to a card showing the correct scores. I asked in a previous comment which never got published what the rule that caught Wie was supposed to prevent or control but as I said this comment was never published and thus I never got an answer.

So I ask again: what is the rule that states you must sign cards in a particular area designed to prevent or control?

I don't see either Greg nor DD making more waves. Greg just doesn't practice enough to keep 4 good rounds going.

Like IBF (Ian Baker Finch), DD has "lost it" mentally and it's very difficult to come back from there. Tiger is Tiger coz he has the strongest mind in golf today. Without the mind, the body can't follow. Sorry DD.

I think Butch Harmon once said of Tiger (who was then a teenager also) - once he stepped "inside the ropes" (the boy) had the "head of a 35 year old veteran". The way Tiger conducts himself on and off the course, the focus, dedication, etc is a credit to both himself and his upbringing (and hence his parents).

Perhaps the Wie's can learn from this.

John said on July 24, 2008:

Anyone care to enlighten me?

foundational

Almost every other rule is based on the fact that, at the end of the day, the player is accountable for his own actions, and attests to that by checking his card, signing it, and turning it in. We sign our checks, we sign contracts, we sign letters we send to relatives or friends on their birthdays, and we sign our scorecards. A signature means something.

foundational.huh??

Yeah but my birthday card isn't rendered invalid because I didn't sign it within a specially designated fenced off area.