Thanks for the input. Both shafts are a stiff one 60 the other 65. I have played the Ahina 72 and the 7C3. Both of these shafts I struggled with in dispersion, flight, and lost distance. Bought the Kal'i on a whim and dispersion and distance is back. It is mid lauch, mid spin, 45" and a 4.2 torque. Just thinking that the mid / mid is helping by getting the ball up, and keeping it up longer. Even with the high torque the Kal'i still feels very stable to me. Just seeing if anyone has had experience with the Project X pvx red as I would like to have two shafts that I could change between the D2 and D2. Any further information will be greatly appreciated.