mythbuster

all of our greatest philosophers were ridiculed for being delusional, ironically by those in society afflicted with traits of neophobia. that said, i had a LenardoVinci "moment" just recently which has virtually changed my whole concept of the golf swing. it involves the left hand only, and understanding that everyone"s hand is different. why i am so excited about this is because it has a very desirable effect of the movement of the left shoulder . to be fair, it is only a notion at this stage as i haven't been able to put the theory into practice, due to time constraints attributed to the festive season, but i just have a hunch that this could be the "holy grail" of all our golfing dilemmas. hopefully, i will still be around so i can keep you posted with my progress.

yes craps, that person you refer to was me. look, a lot of my research has progressed exponentially since then. when you talk about "set up" in neutral, i now am of the view that you actually make the neutral setup whilst you are standing upright, but in my case the "set' is also made with BOTH hands on the club in this upright position. i will try and explain my own physical dilemma even though it may not relate to your circumstances, but even so, reveals itself as a real eye opener. i have a very athletic build with broad shoulders, but the trouble is my shoulder joints are prone to separating from my chest at address and during the swing. anyway, i isolated that particular problem and remedied it by flexing both joints, rather than trying to allow the joints to come forward at address. but that was not the total solution. the crux was in the grip. it is so hard to explain, as photos,etc, will not come close to revealing this panacea of conflicting, golf ailments. ps-i have also found out by trial and error, that what most people construe as being a problem setup-bending down into position to the ball- has very little bearing on the actual golf swing. go figure. as a budding researcher ,this reminds me of the analogy- a can of worms- the more you dig, the more loose ends.

look, i am on a learning curve and so i try to convey what my latest theory entails. that post i made in the past is not what i now think to be true in the slightest, so i apologise. that said, you must appreciate that if Columbus was not game enough with a few motley crew to sail and "fall' over the edge, then you yourself may not have even been born, let alone privy to holding a golf stick . ok, most of us are familiar with Michael Angelo- he was a brilliant genius. his paintings were all formed from hundreds of "trial' strokes and conceptual imagery. of course, i pale into insignificance even compared to his shadow, but that does not stop me from trying to get a few tips and then direct that to our modern day conundrum.

i am intrigued by what you say as you are thinking outside the square, and Einstein said himself that insanity is defined by this- when you repeat the same task and expect a different result. in other words, our so called golf teaching gurus are on cloud 9. that said, is what you say about the tightening of muscles a subconscious, voluntary motion? the reason i ask this is that we can only consciously control two things during a golf swing ,but subconsciously we can control over 100 muscles -which happens to be the minimum number required to complete a perfect golf swing.

in a way, i am glad you enjoyed my posts, but you must remember i only jest in MOD-eration ,with very strict parameters. that said, i like your style, tact and diplomacy. as far as a tip goes- i myself am at the "crossroads'. a lot of the so called swing mechanics are just that-conscious mind aberrations. this is a totally wrong and flawed way to teach and is actually destructive.

ok, you seem like a decent person and clear thinker. there are some egotists here that really have no idea , apart from over indulgence in claptrap. what i am trying to convey and research, is a method of setup that isolates the left shoulder in total neutral phase that allows it to be pushed down around the upper horizontal spine, totally independently. that is how you get incredible torque on wind up in a grooved plane. this applies to all of us, even the wombats who think they are still having trouble in single figures. ok, i will not tell you what i have discovered whilst i was on a "forced "vacation, as i will no doubt be probably censored or "spat" at. speak about freedom of speech in the USA.

you make a lot of very valid points that will be lapped up by so called "believers" , but you miss the reality mark by a conservative mile. when you say that if you set up properly to hit a baseball, tennis or bowl 'homerun" ,that is in fact a fallacy, as you yourself have no idea what that ideal setup actually is. sure, you can try and "mirror" the greats of this sport, but it"s akin to hitting your head against a brick wall from the resultant frustration if you are silly enough to follow this doomed path. ok, at least , i am only here to help as you must appreciate that i am 'handicapped' with my own inflexibility, so when i discover something that works for me it is not a case of poppycock-(cobblers is a better word when translated to masculine generics). that said, i must admit my advice on setup was totally wrong , but as i said in the past, this is a 'work' in progress. look, i think i have really discovered something, and it doesn't involve trying to address the ball in contrived ways as i said in the past. it is so simple , but it involves the grip and the absolute neutral 'bend' to the ball at setup. i am just trialling this, but it could just confirm the title of my book which is probably in the wings - Golf is Easy, Golf is Hard-Your Choice.

ok, this is my view on darrell so obviously you should all listen. i was once an inner Circle Member just for a month. what he teaches is absolute truth to a "degree". what i mean by that is , he is probably the greatest teacher for all those golfers that have his same flexibility. ok, you can look at his physique and ask yourself- what flexibility. he has the "born" flexibility' to turn his shoulders freely. i am only guessing at percentages, but i would say that most golfers here are actually blessed with natural flexibility, but sadly just lacking a bit of flexibility between the ears. that said, i hope a lot of you will revert to his teaching method . you must remember that i am only here to see the game progress, regardless of my own obvious, physical shortcomings.

there is one problem in golf that seems to elude most. at least you understand what the word "feel' actually means, which you should be applauded for, as you posted against "the grain". in a typical backswing manoeuvre, that is implemented correctly, all consequent downswing antics that are suggested by our peers are just a hindrance, as all and sundry outcomes are and should be in auto mode, rather than contrived manipulations . ok, you seem to be on my own playing field of communication potential as i was an aspirant once of becoming a flamenco guitarist, but i had an accident with my fingers. anyway ,i think you appreciate that you can't necessarily teach with video or pictures or even more importantly, a "boys club" attitude . please keep in touch as it only takes one little iceberg to sink the Titanic.

that"s the problem, i can quote people like you all day long, and i will never change your mind , as obviously by your comments, your mindset is perched precariously close to intellectual disability. it"s sad really, as golf is full of egotists at any cost . that said ,GOLF is in essence the simplest of games, but has been totally hijacked as there is too much vested interest in NOT getting to the real truth. as i said before over and over, all golf problems relate to setup. i have been trying to work this out and i honestly think i have found the pro setup, which "forces" you to swing like a pro. i can"t describe this as i am bound to censorship restrictions, but i can assure you that it is so simple , but totally overlooked.

ok, i am bound by rules here and that is fair enough as no one in their right mind wants me to actually crack the code as this is a threat to their whole existence. i know that pictures and the more modern day acronym -"videos", are worth more than a thousand words, but in my case, a few words can actually dispell this nonsense theory . that said, i have discovered something quite amazing and as you know if i tell you about it and do not post the results on video or photo, then i can be docked more penalty points. anyway, i have found something out today that could explain the way the pros "walk" into the ball on setup. actually, it is probably the most important discovery i have ever made after 30 years of trying. i must apologize for not reporting this , but i am only a guest here getting very close to the truth and obviously the "hierarchy" are getting very nervous, which is totally understandable.

hi iacas- people here think that i have found the perfect swing and can shoot in the 70:s, so they say why am i not game to post it on video? i will tell you why- i have not found the perfect swing at all. one thing i can rest easy with is that at least i am trying to solve an elusive riddle without following mainstream hysteria. you know and i know that my posts can seem a bit hit and miss ,but at least i appreciate that you always comment on their authenticity. that makes me actually think about the feedback and try to question my own hypotheses. anyway, i have an absolute eye opener of a discovery today for you to digest. it involves the grip- the palms of the hands should be totally facing each other.ok, the only way you can appreciate this is if you are a hacker, is to just join your hands together without a club, and then do a setup as per normal. when you join the hands, make sure that they are totally clasped together . that is what you want to achieve in a normal golf set up with the BACK of the palms parallel. then all you do and this is paramount ,you MUST push down your left shoulder- it will automatically get into a "grooved" position on the backswing, but because your right palm is in the correct position, the takeaway is almost guaranteed. by the way, i think the fact that golf grips/shafts are tapered ,just adds to the complexity of such a necessary, simplistic approach. sometimes i think my talents are wasted . the trouble is that if i 'crack" all this golfing diatribe and end up writing my own book, then there are not going to be too many happy authors out there.

thanks mvmac- at least you seem more approachable than most here without being over bearing and threatening. i know i should try to post some sort of video, but i feel as though i would be totally embarrassed and humiliated at this stage of my new swing, as there seems to be an unforgiving and fanatical segment lurking here on the forum , accusing me of different user names. anyway, i am not here to get any special notice, as some people here suggest. you see, everyone's physical makeup is different. you can look at the antics of the pro's swing all day, but you may not be physically capable of doing it yourself. that is what i am about- trying to find a setup/swing that actually fits me and all i am doing when i find it , is to report it. i do not expect the negative diatribe though from self opinionated book writers and hangers on. anyway thanks- you seem independent to the crowd.

thanks iacas- at last a bit of deserved recognition with my own thread into probably what i must admit, has been my savior. what i mean by that is something that may sound stupid to you, but it has turned my whole swing around and that is probably why i come across as being a bit half smart. anyway, the crux is that i was bending down to the ball by collapsing my left pelvic muscles rather than my right, as i always set up with the left hand only. ok, so i fixed this by allowing the right to collapse instead, but also freely allow the chest to turn to the left without any hindrance. this is in direct contrast of teaching , as most people are of the belief that the shoulder must be pointing to the target . also, i just discovered that if i "allow" my left shoulder joint to come forward without tension at address, and not to stand with a posture like someone has a poker inserted in my proverbial, i can actually get a 'grooved " swing by pushing the left shoulder down and when i do this, i do not dip like before , it just rotates around the upper horizontal. the only problem now is that i am only hitting practice balls, but still the changes to my own swing are so severe on my body during the follow through, that i am not that sure about being able to continue with this as i think i have now a 20 year old"s swing in a 60 year old"s body. that is what i would really like to pick your brains about- is it advisable for me to keep playing golf this way or should i just revert back to my hacker self ?

ok, at least we have liftoff. we have genuine discussion and that is why i am here. i am only trying to get debate, not opinionated opinion. anyway, i would like you all to consider this, but i know i am only a lowly 15 handicapper who hasn't written a book, but please be cautious as to your reaction as i could actually be your savior of the over hyped golf swing . anyway, i only stumbled on this miracle swing since i joined this forum, so i must give credit to all those that questioned my antics, as it actually forced me to think outside the typical nonsense that is bandied about. the fact is this- GOLF is a VERY SIMPLE GAME, but is convoluted to such a level of idiocracy that it almost defies belief. so let's get to my setup routine in more detail- if you bend down to pick something up from the ground, you will either collapse your right side or left side near your pelvis depending on whether you used your left or right hand. you will also notice, which is absolutely critical to a golfing setup, that your chest will want to turn to the left if you are right handed. you must not try and alter this turning during a golfing setup, even though your chest is about 10 to 15% to the left and you are about 70% weight on the right foot. if you get into this natural position, then the best way to get max "whip" is to 'chop" at the start of the backswing, rather than the conventional 'garbage" that is taught en masse. have a look at the wrist motion of the specialist long drive champs if you have reservations. by the way, in closing, maybe i should write a book . at least with my teachings i know that i am genuinely helping all those unfortunate golfing illiterates.