{"id":1460,"date":"2006-08-10T11:00:00","date_gmt":"2006-08-10T16:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/thesandtrap.com\/uncategorized\/tiger_and_jack\/"},"modified":"2006-08-10T11:00:00","modified_gmt":"2006-08-10T16:00:00","slug":"tiger_and_jack","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/thesandtrap.com\/b\/the_numbers_game\/tiger_and_jack","title":{"rendered":"Tiger and Jack"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/b\/imgs\/numbers_game\/tng_title.gif\" height=\"79\" width=\"125\" alt=\"The Numbers Game\" \/>Since everyone is on the Tiger train this week, I thought I&#8217;d jump aboard. Cody <a href=\"http:\/\/thesandtrap.com\/thrash_talk\/tiger_goes_for_a_dozen\/\">wrote a great article<\/a> earlier in the week and so did Gary Van Sickle <a href=\"http:\/\/sportsillustrated.cnn.com\/2006\/writers\/gary_van_sickle\/08\/06\/tiger.stats\/index.html\" class=\"external external_icon\">over at CNNSI<\/a>. Gary stole some of my numbers thunder, but I have some other interesting nuggets to share this week in <em>The Numbers Game<\/em> about <a href=\"http:\/\/thesandtrap.com\/pga\/tiger_makes_it_a_nifty_fifty\/\">Tiger at 50<\/a>&hellip; wins that is.<\/p>\n<p>Since <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Jack_Nicklaus\" title=\"Jack Nicklaus\" class=\"external external_icon\">Jack Nicklaus<\/a> is constantly disparaging <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tiger_Woods\" title=\"Tiger Woods\" class=\"external external_icon\">Tiger<\/a>&#8216;s achievements, I thought I&#8217;d do a bit of a comparison between the two. Even though it&#8217;s difficult to compare golfers from different eras, the results can still be quite revealing. For me, it has cleared the picture up a bit more and prepared the stamp &#8220;Greatest Golfer of All Time&#8221; for Tiger Woods.<\/p>\n<p>Read on to see what I mean.<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\n<strong>Wins and Winning Percentage<\/strong><br \/>\nSo just how do we determine the best player of all time? From generation to generation, there are many different variables. One of the big numbers that gets talked about are Jack&#8217;s 18 major wins. Others point to Sam Snead&#8217;s 82 victories. No matter the generation or number, Tiger has them all in sight.<\/p>\n<p>To put things in perspective, let&#8217;s look at both Jack&#8217;s and Tiger&#8217;s professional careers. Please note the word <em>professional<\/em> &#8211; I&#8217;m not counting events played as amateurs. Nicklaus started his career in 1962 and got out of the gate quickly, winning the U.S. Open at Oakmont for his first professional victory:<\/p>\n<pre>Year  Tourn  Wins  Win Pct\n----  -----  ----  -------\n1962    27    3    11.11%\n1963    23    5    21.74%\n1964    25    4    16.00%\n1965    21    5    23.81%\n1966    18    3    16.67%\n1967    21    4    19.05%\n1968    20    2    10.00%\n1969    21    3    14.29%\n1970    20    2    10.00%\n1971    18    5    27.78%\n1972    20    7    35.00%\n1973    19    7    36.84%\n1974    18    2    11.11%\n1975    18    6    33.33%\n1976    17    2    11.76%\n1977    19    3    15.79%\n1978    16    4    25.00%\n1979    13    0     0.00%\n1980    14    2    14.29%\n1981    17    0     0.00%\n1982    16    1     6.25%\n1983    16    0     0.00%\n1984    14    1     7.14%\n1985    16    1     6.25%\n1986    16    1     6.25%\n1987    12    0     0.00%\n1988    10    0     0.00%\n1989    11    0     0.00%\n1990    10    0     0.00%\n-----  ---   ---   ------\nTotal  506    73   14.43%<\/pre>\n<p>I stopped at 1990 because that was when Jack turned 50 and, well, there wasn&#8217;t a need to look any further.<\/p>\n<p>After 1980, Nicklaus&#8217; career slowed down considerably. He had only turned 40, but the Golden Bear rarely had the same magic as earlier in his career. The 1986 Masters was special &#8211; and probably my favorite golf moment in history &#8211; but it might be better stated that Nicklaus didn&#8217;t consistently produce in the 80s.<\/p>\n<p>Still, 73 victories is only second to Snead and had Nicklaus not tailed off so fast in his 40s, he might have caught him. Of course, Tiger might catch both Nicklaus and Snead.<\/p>\n<pre>Year  Tourn  Wins  Win Pct\n----  -----  ----  -------\n1996     8    2    25.00%\n1997    21    4    19.05%\n1998    20    1     5.00% *\n1999    21    8    38.10%\n2000    20    9    45.00%\n2001    19    5    26.32%\n2002    18    5    27.78%\n2003    18    5    27.78%\n2004    19    1     5.26% *\n2005    21    6    28.57%\n2006    11    4    36.36%\n-----  ---   ---   ------\nTotal  196   50    25.51%<\/pre>\n<p>In his relatively young professional career, Tiger has won over 25% of his tournaments. That&#8217;s a disgusting rate. Jack won 43 tournaments by the end of his 11th year, but had played in 38 more tournaments. Nicklaus&#8217; winning percentage at that time was 18.4%. Very impressive, but a rate much slower than Tiger. Had Tiger played in the same amount of tournaments, he would have won nearly 60 tournaments by now.<\/p>\n<p>Speaking of pace of victories, let&#8217;s just use Jack&#8217;s pace to extrapolate what Tiger might do if he  finishes his career exactly like Jack &#8211; in both number of tournaments and number of wins. I&#8217;ll start by giving Tiger a couple more victories this year. If he plays his normal amount, two more is a conservative amount. If we take Tiger&#8217;s start and Jack&#8217;s finish it looks like this:<\/p>\n<pre>Year  Tourn  Wins  Win Pct\n----  -----  ----  -------\n(See above for 1996-2005)\n2006    19    6    31.58%\n2007    19    7    36.84%\n2008    18    2    11.11%\n2009    18    6    33.33%\n2010    17    2    11.76%\n2011    19    3    15.79%\n2012    16    4    25.00%\n2013    13    0     0.00%\n2014    14    2    14.29%\n2015    17    0     0.00%\n2016    16    1     6.25%\n2017    16    0     0.00%\n2018    14    1     7.14%\n2019    16    1     6.25%\n2020    16    1     6.25%\n2021    12    0     0.00%\n2022    10    0     0.00%\n2023    11    0     0.00%\n2024    10    0     0.00%\n2025     9    0     0.00%\n-----  ---   ---   ------\nTotal  485   82    16.91%<\/pre>\n<p>82 wins aren&#8217;t very impressive, but it still gets Tiger to Snead&#8217;s mark. To me, this is the very least Tiger will accomplish in his career. I can&#8217;t see Tiger keeping the 25% winning percentage forever, but the way he is playing now I can see him keeping it there for at least the next five years. If does, Tiger will only be a few wins from Snead in the 2011-2012 timeframe, not in 2025<\/p>\n<p>After that, it&#8217;s anybody&#8217;s guess. Injuries or, God forbid, accidents might happen that keeps Tiger off the course and change the above table considerably. Know this, though: if he does stay healthy, Tiger will beat Sarazen&#8217;s mark easily&hellip; and challenge the century mark in wins.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Majors<\/strong><br \/>\nEighteen majors. When Tiger was first starting out, this was the record everyone thought would be hard to reach&hellip; and the one you know Tiger wants more than anything else.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s take a step back first and take a look at not only Jack&#8217;s 18 wins, but his other numbers from the majors. Again, these are as a professional:<\/p>\n<pre>Starts     159\nWins        18  (11.32%)\nTop 2       37  (23.27%)\nTop 3       45  (28.30%)\nTop 5       55  (34.59%)\nTop 10      70  (44.03%)<\/pre>\n<p>Jack&#8217;s winning percentage in majors is slightly lower than his &#8220;normal&#8221; winning percentage, but these stats include years past 1990 when Jack turned 50, lowering his averages significantly. He also had 19 runner-ups in the four majors as well, something a lot of people point to as a sign of his greatness.<\/p>\n<p>Now let&#8217;s look at Tiger&#8217;s numbers:<\/p>\n<pre>Starts      39\nWins        11  (28.21%)\nTop 2       13  (33.33%)\nTop 3       16  (41.03%)\nTop 5       19  (48.72%)\nTop 10      23  (58.97%)<\/pre>\n<p>These stats look a lot more impressive than Jack&#8217;s with Tiger winning more than a quarter of the majors in which he&#8217;s played as a pro. Even if Jack had won the 19 majors in which he finished second, Tiger would still have a higher winning percentage than Jack. No matter how you slice it, it looks good for Tiger, right?<\/p>\n<p>Well, not exactly. Let&#8217;s take a lok at Jack through his first 39 majors as a pro:<\/p>\n<pre>Starts      39\nWins         8  (20.51%)\nTop 2       17  (43.59%)\nTop 3       21  (53.85%)\nTop 5       23  (58.97%)\nTop 10      26  (66.67%)<\/pre>\n<p>In the most important number &#8211; wins &#8211; Tiger still leads, but the rest of the stats slant heavily in Jack&#8217;s favor. Oh, and Jack won his 40th, 41st, and 42nd majors: the 1971 PGA and 1972 Masters and U.S. Open&hellip; so if Tiger doesn&#8217;t win at Medinah, Jack is going to pull closer&hellip; and if you think Tiger will catch up in the other stats over the next few years, think again.<\/p>\n<p>Jack had probably the most impressive decades when it comes to major performance in the 1970s. Consider this:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>He only missed one cut<\/li>\n<li>He finished outside the top ten only five times<\/li>\n<li>He won eight of his 18 majors<\/li>\n<li>He finished fifth or better in <strong>every<\/strong> British Open<\/li>\n<li>He only finished outside fourth in the Masters once<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Tiger has had a great decade so far in 2006, and it may be considered the greatest when it is done. But what Jack accomplished in the 1970s is astonishing. Oh, and his 1980 season wasn&#8217;t bad, either: he won the U.S. Open and PGA Championship.<\/p>\n<p>Tiger will be hard pressed to keep pace with Jack in the majors. I think he&#8217;ll get by in wins, but he may never beat the other numbers. Somehow, I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;ll care very much.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Jack and Tiger. Tiger and Jack. When looking at their victories over the years, they are both impressive. 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