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Dr. Sasho Mackenzie had a quote in the March issue of Golf magazine that I liked.

Listen, there'll always be science-deniers and the belief that none of what I or other researchers do is necessary. They're going to be eroded away. There'll be fewer and fewer of these people once the community realizes that science and technology are simply about learning and understanding better ways to swing a golf club. I no longer feel bad for the instructors who fight it, because the information's out there. If they've got a theory that's different from mine, fine. I'm open-minded. I'll listen. Maybe I've made a mistake, but if they don't have an argument other than, "I believe in my method," then okay. I can't do anything else. We can't have a logical debate. I just feel bad for the golfers they're teaching.

Emphasis mine.

Unfortunately, another quote applies: You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.



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I too like this comment not even being an instructor. There has been a good share of the very type he describes in that comment on this site. You have enormous patience with them. They're stubborn and not going to change. What irks me is when they don't see that you're clearly open-minded and willing to listen. As soon as they realize you disagree, it's ears closed, mind closed and you 'think you know everything.' Little do they realize it's themselves they are describing.

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1 hour ago, Vinsk said:

I too like this comment not even being an instructor. There has been a good share of the very type he describes in that comment on this site. You have enormous patience with them. They're stubborn and not going to change. What irks me is when they don't see that you're clearly open-minded and willing to listen. As soon as they realize you disagree, it's ears closed, mind closed and you 'think you know everything.' Little do they realize it's themselves they are describing.

You are both just talking about @Righty to Lefty and @Puttin4Dough/@Golflivesmatter?

I think that people think "open minded" means "you are taking my theory seriously" or something.-If you dismiss my theory you are close-minded even if the facts or science or whatever make sense. They think open minded means you consider even ridiculous things.

Scientists do not consider the theory that the earth is flat-It would be a complete waste of time.

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1 hour ago, Phil McGleno said:

They think open minded means you consider even ridiculous things.

LOL. Beautifully put. The guys you named are the most recent perhaps. But I think it can refer to many out there he's probably come across be it Twitter, FB, Instagram....but they certainly fit the type mentioned.

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I will listen to, and maybe even try, anything. But if it ultimately makes no sense, then it makes no sense! I learned to golf through tips from my Uncle (who was a damn good golfer), and instructional articles in Golf Digest, back when that publication was worthy of being read. 

Even though the articles in GD were supposedly penned by "pros" or "top instructors", if I tried them and they didn't work, I discarded them! But, even renowned scientists seem to have a problem with this.

They seem reluctant to discard a paradigm that does not work unless there's another paradigm present to take it's place! Even when no paradigm would be preferable. 

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3 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

But if it ultimately makes no sense, then it makes no sense!

That's not really the point here, or..it's exactly the point. Just because something doesn't make sense to you doesn't change the point at hand if it's backed by science. There are those who will argue what they understand or believe and disregard the facts as based on science. That is a no win argument as they are too stubborn to even realize the ridiculousness of their position. It's like playing chess with a pigeon; no matter how many great moves you make the pigeon just runs around shitting on the board acting like he's winning.

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9 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

Even though the articles in GD were supposedly penned by "pros" or "top instructors", if I tried them and they didn't work, I discarded them!

You don't know that you were doing whatever it is they asked of you properly or even that they were intended for you.

9 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

But, even renowned scientists seem to have a problem with this.

Huh?

9 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

They seem reluctant to discard a paradigm that does not work unless there's another paradigm present to take it's place! Even when no paradigm would be preferable. 

Scientists do? Because I strongly disagree.

Please give an example.

Plus what @Vinsk said.

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