Edoardo Molinari Posts Slow Players List

[Vinsk]

4 minutes ago, colin007 said:

I applaud the NCAA. The big boy tour needs to follow this example and slam some penalty strokes on these assclowns.

Four slow-play penalties already given at NCAAs

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Four players were penalized in the first 36 holes of the NCAA Championship...

 

Yeah. Instead these players are thinking they can’t wait to get to the PGA TOUR and not have to worry about being penalized.

[ChrisP]

If they actually enforced slow play on the PGA Tour, we might have a different champion at Colonial this weekend.

[DeadMan]

I'm not 100% sure what time par means, but it was 5 hours, 5 minutes. I'm assuming that means if you play under 5 hours, 5 minutes, you don't get penalized. Honestly, if you're getting penalized for that, you are extremely slow.

[iacas]

8 hours ago, DeadMan said:

I'm not 100% sure what time par means, but it was 5 hours, 5 minutes. I'm assuming that means if you play under 5 hours, 5 minutes, you don't get penalized. Honestly, if you're getting penalized for that, you are extremely slow.

To be put on the clock usually requires two things:

• You have to be more than 14 minutes (or more, if time par is 5:05 - that is probably about 17 minutes behind) returning the flagstick to the hole behind the group in front of you.
• You have to be over your time par for completing the hole.

If both are true, you're able to be put on the clock. If you're under your time par, and 20 minutes behind… then you're still fine, and the group in front of you is really racing around.

[colin007]

Bryson DeChambeau is a tool.

http://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/26858368/dechambeau-disagrees-slow-play-warning

[DeadMan]

40 seconds is a long time. If you can't hit a shot in that time, don't play golf. Really too bad he didn't get penalized.

[DaveP043]

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 And we've had struggles the past three holes in a row, hazards and making bogeys and all that. Was that not factored in? 'Well, it's just 40 seconds, it is what it is.' Well, I don't agree with that.''

I don't always agree with speed limits on the roads, but I don't have a choice about following them.  Lots of players don't agree with the dorp rule, but they have to follow it.  Bryson can disagree all he wants, but the rules are going to apply to him.

[colin007]

9 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

I don't always agree with speed limits on the roads, but I don't have a choice about following them.  Lots of players don't agree with the dorp rule, but they have to follow it.  Bryson can disagree all he wants, but the rules are going to apply to him.

Dorp rule is dorpy.

[saevel25]

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"The time to hurry is in between shots,'' DeChambeau said after opening the tournament with a 74. "It's not over the shot. It's timing how people walk. You have to add that to the equation. If you've got somebody walking slow, and they get up to the shot and take their 20 seconds, what's the aggregate time for them to hit that shot between shots? That's what really matters. It's not the shot at hand.''

Since they don't have to walk offline much, they probably have to walk 8500 yards. At a brisk walking pace that would require 1.6 hours of walking. That leaves about 3 hours to hit golf shots and wait on other golfers. That leaves them 2.57 minutes per shot (70 strokes). There should be plenty of time for him to play ready golf. It's an absurd suggestion to think that his slow play is justified because he walks fast.

*I think the math is correct ;)

[Foot Wedge]

10 hours ago, DeadMan said:

If you can't hit a shot in that time, don't play golf.

This is exactly what I thought when I read this.  I get that he wants to do all his calculations and whatnot.  He's a nerd (not a physicist or scientist because he doesn't actually have a physics degree or career, so that would be disrespectful to real scientists.  Don't even get me started on the boner golf digest has for him being a "scientist") and I can dig that, but dude you need to play within the rules.  Say you're a football coach and you've got your offensive coordinator sitting there on a laptop running statistical analysis programs in between plays with all your "variables" to try and determine what defensive scheme the other team may run.  Awesome, but don't complain when the clock starts killing you.

It's a game, not a science.  Not to mention I think one variable he's missing from his precious equations is etiquette and respect towards your playing partners.  If he really wants to use all the available data to his advantage, compile it and create a decision matrix//DOPE card/some kind of playbook that his caddy can whip out (if that's even legal), go through for 10 seconds and give him a shot/club to use.  I wouldn't be surprised if there are plenty of engineers/scientists/doctors out there listening to Bryson and thinking "chill out with your science stuff".

Edited May 31, 2019 by Foot Wedge
Added legality statement

[colin007]

His face is stupid.

[krupa]

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"The time to hurry is in between shots,'' DeChambeau said after opening the tournament with a 74. "It's not over the shot. It's timing how people walk. You have to add that to the equation.

Yeah... it's how fast people walk to their ball, not how they stand there staring at their belly button while the other guys hit.

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Earlier this year, DeChambeau was criticized for playing slowly on his way to winning the Dubai Desert Classic, at which a European Tour video showed the golfer taking air density into his calculations as part of his pre-shot routine.

Someone needs to explain to these guys that professional golf is part of the entertainment industry.  No one wants to watch The Hat factor in butterfly farts into his wind calculations.  If no one watches, there will be no tournaments.

[Missouri Swede]

6 hours ago, krupa said:

No one wants to watch The Hat factor in butterfly farts into his wind calculations.

That must be #6 (the secret)

We spent an afternoon listening to Bryson DeChambeau talk golf and it was … something - Golf Digest

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Bryson DeChambeau, a five-time PGA Tour winner, shared his unusual pre-shot checklist ahead of this week's Memorial, where he'll be defending his title

 

[klineka]

17 hours ago, colin007 said:

Bryson DeChambeau is a tool.

DeChambeau disagrees with slow-play warning

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Bryson DeChambeau, who was issued a slow-play warning at Memorial on Thursday, said the amount of time it takes to walk in between shots should be considered before warnings are issued.

 

17 hours ago, DeadMan said:

40 seconds is a long time. If you can't hit a shot in that time, don't play golf. Really too bad he didn't get penalized.

I thought it was interesting that DeChambeau got a warning and Justin Rose didn't, because the announcers on PGA Tour Live said that after the group was put on the clock, Justin Rose took well over 60 seconds to hit a shot and they wondered out loud over the air why he didn't get a warning. 

If they are going to attempt to start enforcing slow play penalties, it needs to be enforced equally to everyone IMO.

[krupa]

29 minutes ago, Missouri Swede said:

That must be #6 (the secret)

We spent an afternoon listening to Bryson DeChambeau talk golf and it was … something - Golf Digest

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Bryson DeChambeau, a five-time PGA Tour winner, shared his unusual pre-shot checklist ahead of this week's Memorial, where he'll be defending his title

 

 

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“People complain and call me slow, but I’m actually quick, relative to what I do,” he said, defending his inaction before his actions. “Think about that the next time you call me slow.”

Mr. DeChambeau, I've thought it over and you're still slow, you goober.  
 

1 minute ago, klineka said:

If they are going to attempt to start enforcing slow play penalties, it needs to be enforced equally to everyone IMO.

Agreed.

[boogielicious]

14 hours ago, klineka said:

I thought it was interesting that DeChambeau got a warning and Justin Rose didn't, because the announcers on PGA Tour Live said that after the group was put on the clock, Justin Rose took well over 60 seconds to hit a shot and they wondered out loud over the air why he didn't get a warning. 

If they are going to attempt to start enforcing slow play penalties, it needs to be enforced equally to everyone IMO.

If I was a fast player and was taking less than 40 seconds, and another in my group was JB Holmes or BD, I would not want to be warned for their slow play. The rules officials who follow them and determine they are on the clock can observe to see who is the hold up. 

[klineka]

7 hours ago, boogielicious said:

If I was a fast player and was taking less than 40 seconds, and another in my group was JB Holmes or BD, I would not want to be warned for their slow play. The rules officials who follow them and determine they are on the clock can observe to see who is the hold up. 

I agree with that, but if you are on the clock as a group, and you as a player take over 60 seconds on a shot, you should get warned as well, even if you weren't the reason the group was put on the clock in the first place.

[DeadMan]

Another website time some pros at the US Open:

Pace of play in pro golf - The Fried Egg

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At the U.S. Open, Andy Johnson timed every shot hit by Bryson DeChambeau, Kevin Kisner, and Justin Thomas for nine holes, and these...

Here were the results (click on the link for explanation, but 1, 2, 3, refer to the order of play):