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14 minutes ago, Jay28 said:

The one where his game falls apart at key moments on any course that has narrow fairways and thick rough.

He's ranked as one of the worst players - near dead last - playing from the rough... and his driver is single figure handicap amateur level.  He's got other areas of game that are still world class, but on a US Open , PGA or The Open course, he has zero chance of competing with the top players.

What a trash take.

1 minute ago, Jay28 said:

70th.  Hmm, yeah, that's just perfect for someone looking to win majors and arrangign his schedule around them.  I've seen club players who miss it badly less often than Tiger.

Pebble doesn’t even require that many drivers.

2 minutes ago, Jay28 said:

70thThere are few worse players than Tiger out of the rough.  He can get away with it at Augusta, but he'll never even compete for a US Open, Open or US PGA again.

Ummm, did you watch those events in 2018?

Again, what a trash take.

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13 hours ago, gbogey said:

If Woodland holds on to win, based upon his and Koepka winning majors, I’m going to start pumping iron on Monday. 

I am a fan of Gary, but actually his arms look kind of small without much bulk or definition. It doesn't look like he pumps a lot of iron. I would be surprised if he could bench much more than 200 lbs.

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3 minutes ago, Jay28 said:

70th.  Hmm, yeah, that's just perfect for someone looking to win majors and arranging his schedule around them.  I've seen club players who miss it badly less often than Tiger.

Even your assessment of what is hurting him the the US open is wrong, 

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Round 1 it was his approach shots. 
Round 2 it was his putting
Round 3 it was his putting and short game

His driving hasn't hurt him nearly as much as you want to claim it does. 

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26 minutes ago, Jay28 said:

He's got other areas of game that are still world class, but on a US Open , PGA or The Open course, he has zero chance of competing with the top players.

Too bad he won the Masters this year so you couldn't just say "at the majors," right? 🙄

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16 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Even your assessment of what is hurting him the the US open is wrong, 

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Round 1 it was his approach shots. 
Round 2 it was his putting
Round 3 it was his putting and short game

His driving hasn't hurt him nearly as much as you want to claim it does. 

Averages are misleading.  You can be erratic and have a good average. 

Case in point.  Day1 , 5th.  Hit a tee shot you'd see by a 28 handicapper every weekend.  Fluffed his second, skinned his 3rd, ended by with double bogey on a par 3. Amatuer level and a bad one at that.  It happens a lot with Tiger. 

As for his round 1, I already said his putting saved him - yes it was appalling approach shots that ruined his round.

Round 2 his putting was awful.

If he gets to 18 majors, it will be at the Masters, not on an Open or US PGA set up.

He's still got some great shots in him, but he's not close to the player he was and can't live with the best.

 

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9 minutes ago, Jay28 said:

Averages are misleading.  You can be erratic and have a good average. 

It's not an average. It's a total from all his shots over the entire round. 

Example, Round 1 he totaled .66 strokes more than the field off the tee. 

Before you try to criticize, you might want to gain a bit more knowledge on the subject. 

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Don't know if it's been mentioned but the zinger's about to get on my last nerve.  I'll mute for this last round.  (and whats all the love for rory?)

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19 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

It's not an average. It's a total from all his shots over the entire round. 

Example, Round 1 he totaled .66 strokes more than the field off the tee. 

Before you try to criticize, you might want to gain a bit more knowledge on the subject. 

Yes, they are averages.  They are measured against the average for the field. Last I checked average didn't win. Maybe you should try and understand the stats a little better.  I am not saying Tiger is not better than average, I am saying he has amatuer level mistakes in his game and on a tough course he pays for it, especially as he is so bad out of the rough. I am talking about his chances of WINNING on a course set up for Opens and PGA, not about his chances of beating the average pro. Jeez.

Those shots gained stats are also misleading. Off the tee stats exclude par 3's, so would exlcude Tigers horrendous effort off the 5th tee in round 1, for example. In other words, pointless.

Best just to watch what happens in front of your eyes and leave the stats, beyond the actual score someone makes on a hole, over a round and over a tournament.  I have seen Tiger throw away shots this week - and in many weeks - because his game is not consistent enough when the course is set up for an Open or US PGA.

Whether he throws away more shots than average is not relevant to the point I am making, which is that his days of winning majors outside the Masters are over - because his game does not have the required accuracy or consistency.

 

 

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Biggest concern I have with Tiger moving forward is his health. Not sure how it’s going to hold up. It’s keeping him from playing more tournaments which hurts his reps. I’m guessing he may not tee it up again until Portrush. Seems like he is citing his aches and pains a lot more lately. 

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2 minutes ago, ChrisP said:

Biggest concern I have with Tiger moving forward is his health. Not sure how it’s going to hold up. It’s keeping him from playing more tournaments which hurts his reps. I’m guessing he may not tee it up again until Portrush. Seems like he is citing his aches and pains a lot more lately. 

Agree - the injuries seem to have taken away so much from his game. 

He'd be better off skipping Portrush and getting a win elsewhere - he has zero chance of winning The Open

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A potentially scary situation took on a more light-hearted turn for Henrik Stenson Saturday on the 16th hole at...

Very cool of Stenson...

12 minutes ago, Jay28 said:

Agree - the injuries seem to have taken away so much from his game. 

He'd be better off skipping Portrush and getting a win elsewhere - he has zero chance of winning The Open

Lol! You’re an entertaining read.

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2 hours ago, Jay28 said:

Yes, they are averages.  They are measured against the average for the field. Last I checked average didn't win. Maybe you should try and understand the stats a little better.  I am not saying Tiger is not better than average, I am saying he has amatuer level mistakes in his game and on a tough course he pays for it, especially as he is so bad out of the rough. I am talking about his chances of WINNING on a course set up for Opens and PGA, not about his chances of beating the average pro. Jeez.

Those shots gained stats are also misleading. Off the tee stats exclude par 3's, so would exlcude Tigers horrendous effort off the 5th tee in round 1, for example. In other words, pointless.

Best just to watch what happens in front of your eyes and leave the stats, beyond the actual score someone makes on a hole, over a round and over a tournament.  I have seen Tiger throw away shots this week - and in many weeks - because his game is not consistent enough when the course is set up for an Open or US PGA.

Whether he throws away more shots than average is not relevant to the point I am making, which is that his days of winning majors outside the Masters are over - because his game does not have the required accuracy or consistency.

More trash takes that don’t even make sense.

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The last 8 US Open champions are McIlroy, Simpson, Rose, Kaymer, Spieth, DJ, and Koepka (twice). Those are powerful names and likely all future Hall of Famers. Woodland winning would be a bit of a surprise and veering from the trend a bit. Would probably compare it to McDowell's win in 2010 here as far as name recognition goes. Kinda rooting for the guy, though. Like I said yesterday, he seems like a really high class guy. Seems hard not to like him.

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2 hours ago, Jay28 said:

Yes, they are averages. They are measured against the average for the field.

The second sentence is correct. The first is not - Tiger's is a cumulative total, it's not an average. An average would be if you took 0.622 and divided it by 14… and said Tiger gained 0.045 strokes per tee shot or something.

And that total shows that, off the tee (on par fours and fives), Tiger is BETTER than average. Despite what you keep saying.

2 hours ago, Jay28 said:

Last I checked average didn't win.

He's better than average.

2 hours ago, Jay28 said:

I am saying he has amatuer level mistakes

Which makes no sense. Did you watch Koepka? Rose? Woodland? They hit some bad shots too.

2 hours ago, Jay28 said:

I am talking about his chances of WINNING on a course set up for Opens and PGA, not about his chances of beating the average pro. Jeez.

You ignored my earlier comment asking you if you had seen the 2018 British Open (which he led for awhile on Sunday) or PGA Championship (in which he finished second only to Koepka).

2 hours ago, Jay28 said:

Those shots gained stats are also misleading. Off the tee stats exclude par 3's, so would exlcude Tigers horrendous effort off the 5th tee in round 1, for example. In other words, pointless.

Those are included in his approach shots, and that fifth hole is a par three: your point is that he's bad from the rough and his driver is what puts him there.

2 hours ago, Jay28 said:

Best just to watch what happens in front of your eyes and leave the stats, beyond the actual score someone makes on a hole, over a round and over a tournament.

No, because by going by what your eyes tell you, you come up with garbage takes like the ones you've offered up here.

Some good stats, by the way:

So much for how Tiger is an "average" Tour player.

2 hours ago, Jay28 said:

I have seen Tiger throw away shots this week - and in many weeks - because his game is not consistent enough when the course is set up for an Open or US PGA.

Like when he led the British Open last year or finished second to Koepka at the PGA last year? 😛

Very bad take.

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3 hours ago, Jay28 said:

Yes, they are averages.  They are measured against the average for the field. Last I checked average didn't win. Maybe you should try and understand the stats a little better.  I am not saying Tiger is not better than average, I am saying he has amatuer level mistakes in his game and on a tough course he pays for it, especially as he is so bad out of the rough. I am talking about his chances of WINNING on a course set up for Opens and PGA, not about his chances of beating the average pro. Jeez.

Those shots gained stats are also misleading. Off the tee stats exclude par 3's, so would exlcude Tigers horrendous effort off the 5th tee in round 1, for example. In other words, pointless.

Best just to watch what happens in front of your eyes and leave the stats, beyond the actual score someone makes on a hole, over a round and over a tournament.  I have seen Tiger throw away shots this week - and in many weeks - because his game is not consistent enough when the course is set up for an Open or US PGA.

Whether he throws away more shots than average is not relevant to the point I am making, which is that his days of winning majors outside the Masters are over - because his game does not have the required accuracy or consistency.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Jay28 said:

amatuer level mistakes in his game

Haha, ok.

 

3 hours ago, Jay28 said:

Those shots gained stats are also misleading. Off the tee stats exclude par 3's, so would exlcude Tigers horrendous effort off the 5th tee in round 1, for example. In other words, pointless

You're missing the point here.  Par 3's would fall under "to the green" or approach.  We all know Tiger hasn't played as well this week.  

 

3 hours ago, Jay28 said:

Whether he throws away more shots than average is not relevant to the point I am making, which is that his days of winning majors outside the Masters are over - because his game does not have the required accuracy or consistency.

That's your opinion and it's wrong.  Tiger's game is good enough to win any event.  He is usually really good tee to green and has streaks on the green.  The problem is, he didn't strike it well this week.  He made a lot of mistakes and put himself in poor positions.  I watched his 2nd round thinking other than a few bad swings, he could've went really low.  All of his putts had really good looks at dropping.  

 

Your talk about stats makes no sense.  SG whether against the average or not is a good benchmark in which to gauge success.  That's why it's there, to see where you're losing strokes and gaining strokes.  It gives a data-driven analysis in which to improve your game.  Tiger wasn't sharp enough with the irons and had some loose balls that left him in poor spots.  The first day he got away with it, as did Justin Rose.  

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Is there a bunker on this course that Justin Rose hasn't been in this week? I am in awe of his short game.

I move that we change his name to Sandy Rose. All in favor? 🙋‍♂️

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