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So me and my partner had to play his ball that landed In a rock bed that was about 10 ft in diameter with the cart path surrounding it. We played the ball no closer to the hole just off the cart path but the people we scrambled against argued that since we had to move the ball more than a clubs length that we had to take a stroke penalty instead of getting free relief. Who is right??

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4 minutes ago, Wadef said:

So me and my partner had to play his ball that landed In a rock bed that was about 10 ft in diameter with the cart path surrounding it. We played the ball no closer to the hole just off the cart path but the people we scrambled against argued that since we had to move the ball more than a clubs length that we had to take a stroke penalty instead of getting free relief. Who is right??

You got free relief from a rock bed? Is that a local rule for the course?

Anyway as I understand it, it's a two-step process. You take your drop from the rock bed and then if the cart path is interfering, you proceed to take relief from that.

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What is a rock bed? Why was a cart path around it?

Your opponents didn’t make any sense. Free or penalized relief is not determined like that.

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13 minutes ago, iacas said:

What is a rock bed? Why was a cart path around it?

I thought it might have been a landscaped area and the course allows a free drop if the ball lands in it.

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Local rules can be weird. I like billchao's response. They don't want their flowerbeds or landscaped areas torn up by golfers. The course can provide penalty free drops, with local rules, anywhere they wish to.

Doesn't mean the local golfers pay that much attention to them. I've seen guys gouging shots out of mulch beds and plantings when local rules gave relief. 

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5 minutes ago, Buckeyebowman said:

Doesn't mean the local golfers pay that much attention to them. I've seen guys gouging shots out of mulch beds and plantings when local rules gave relief. 

Most relief isn't mandatory.

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16 hours ago, iacas said:

What is a rock bed? Why was a cart path around it?

Your opponents didn’t make any sense. Free or penalized relief is not determined like that.

Rock bed sound the same as what we call Arizona or desert landscaping.  Rocks in place of lawn or the like. large pebbles or larger stone 

 

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The club should probably integrated the path and rock area by local rule.

However, free relief from an immovable obstruction consists of finding the nearest point of complete relief (not nearer the hole) (however far that happens to be) and then taking 1 cl from that point

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A course I play regularly has added a large area of sizable rocks along the base of a hill next to a boundary fence, parallel to a hole.  The area isn't irrigated, so here in the desert it was lightly vegetated scrub.  I believe the rock was added to stop erosion from washing the "soil" under the fence, and onto the adjoining property.  This would happen during a heavy monsoon storm, the water would just run off the hill.  I would not call it a water course, it isn't contained, it's just runoff.  The area shouldn't be in play, but, well, let's just say it can be hit!  I assume it's an immovable obstruction, it's manmade, isn't a water course, and isn't movable.  It's probably 30 feet wide, so the drop is back a bit to not be closer to the hole.  The biggest problem is finding the ball in the light colored rocks (or down in them, in which case it's not likely) without breaking your ankle.  Since it's next to OB, you are best off to play a provisional to be covered when you can't find it.  You can't have any certainty about where the ball is since the are isn't visible from the tee, and is against the OB fence.

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