General COVID-19 Topic

[DaveP043]

21 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

Also, it is National Gin & Tonic day... think I'll go out and celebrate.

I've read that alcohol is a good disinfectant, as good as bleach, and less dangerous when taken internally (in moderation, of course).  I say Go For It!  🍸

[saevel25]

2 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

I've read that alcohol is a good disinfectant, as good as bleach, and less dangerous when taken internally (in moderation, of course).  I say Go For It!  🍸

That is why I went with cask strength wiskey. 55%, it's close enough to the recommended % for disinfectant 😉

 

[Double Mocha Man]

40 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

I've read that alcohol is a good disinfectant, as good as bleach, and less dangerous when taken internally (in moderation, of course).  I say Go For It!  🍸

😄

[nevets88]

I wonder if there is a book that goes more into detail how the vaccine was made, like a much longer form of this. I'm sure there will be one. Thank you scientists. Thank you Dr. Kariko, for never giving up.

Kati Kariko Helped Shield the World From the Coronavirus - The New York Times

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Collaborating with devoted colleagues, Dr. Kariko laid the groundwork for the mRNA vaccines turning the tide of the pandemic.

 

[Billy Z]

I didn't know how many variants were of concern, according to the CDC site it looks like three variants:

 

[mdl]

On 4/8/2021 at 5:54 AM, CarlSpackler said:

Most of the people I know who contracted the actual virus over the last year had only minor symptoms. One of our people was deathly afraid of the virus over the last year and has been living like a hermit. She got the vaccine last week is now VERY sick.

These are just my observations. I am not telling anyone that they shouldn't get the vaccine, but I hope they understand the risks. There are risks with the tetanus shot too.

This is really disingenuous. 550k Americans have died from COVID. That's almost 2 out of every 1k Americans. 110 million Americans have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine. There have been ~1k subsequent deaths reported to the national vaccine response/monitoring system. Of those 0 have been shown to be caused by  the vaccine. So even if you lie and claim all those deaths were caused by the vaccine, you still have less than a 1 / 100k chance of dying from the vaccine. In reality you have a zero, or effectively zero, chance of dying from the vaccine. But we should definitely concern troll side effects.

[Billy Z]

28 minutes ago, mdl said:

This is really disingenuous. 550k Americans have died from COVID. That's almost 2 out of every 1k Americans. 110 million Americans have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine. There have been ~1k subsequent deaths reported to the national vaccine response/monitoring system. Of those 0 have been shown to be caused by  the vaccine. So even if you lie and claim all those deaths were caused by the vaccine, you still have less than a 1 / 100k chance of dying from the vaccine. In reality you have a zero, or effectively zero, chance of dying from the vaccine. But we should definitely concern troll side effects.

Just curious, what is the odds of dying driving to work in your car? People do that without thinking twice. In fact, people do it while talking/texting on the phone with little concern.

[mdl]

11 minutes ago, Billy Z said:

Just curious, what is the odds of dying driving to work in your car? People do that without thinking twice. In fact, people do it while talking/texting on the phone with little concern.

What's your point? One person dying in a car crash doesn't cause an exponential growth in driving deaths.

[Billy Z]

7 minutes ago, mdl said:

What's your point? One person dying in a car crash doesn't cause an exponential growth in driving deaths.

I'm just saying that people take risks everyday that are more risky then getting a c19 vac, and they do it without thinking twice. The bottom line is the C19 vac is an extremely safe vaccination, exponentially less risk than driving a car.

[mdl]

23 minutes ago, Billy Z said:

I'm just saying that people take risks everyday that are more risky then getting a c19 vac, and they do it without thinking twice. The bottom line is the C19 vac is an extremely safe vaccination, exponentially less risk than driving a car.

Indeed. I thought you were trying to  get into a COVID is a hoax argument 🤦‍♂️

[Double Mocha Man]

15 minutes ago, mdl said:

Indeed. I thought you were trying to  get into a COVID is a hoax argument 🤦‍♂️

Wait a minute! It isn't?

[mdl]

4 minutes ago, Double Mocha Man said:

Wait a minute! It isn't?

[Billy Z]

31 minutes ago, mdl said:

Indeed. I thought you were trying to  get into a COVID is a hoax argument 🤦‍♂️

No, not at all, I had my second Pfizer shot way back on February 10th. If there was a booster available, I would try to be the first in line. Here in Michigan there are three different variants roaming around.

[dennyjones]

The Michigan governor is "asking" that school shut for 2 weeks, all sporting activities stop for two weeks and people avoid going into restaurants during this upward swing.    

The high school basketball finals will still continue as planned

[iacas]

• One in five Americans are fully vaccinated and a third of the population has received at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine.
• The U.S. is currently administering a seven-day average of 3 million vaccine doses per day.
• The latest seven-day average of new coronavirus cases in the U.S. is 66,000, well below January's peak of about 250,000 new cases per day but more in line with numbers seen during the summer surge.

[Braivo]

FDA and CDC urges pause to J&J vaccinations. 

CDC and FDA Call for Pause on Johnson & Johnson Vaccine After Blood Clotting Cases - The New York Times

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The Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control will stop...

 

[iacas]

And in brighter news:

CDC Data Suggests Vaccinated Don’t Carry, Can’t Spread Virus

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Some public-health experts have pushed back on the CDC director’s claim that “vaccinated people do not carry the virus” and “don’t get sick.”

 

[iacas]

 

Also, you know what causes blood clots at a much higher rate?

COVID-19.

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“We began to notice a really unusual manifestation of venous and arterial thromboembolism in patients with COVID-19,” said Malas. “In addition to higher instances of blood clots, the mortality for patients hospitalized for COVID-19 and with thromboembolism was much higher, compared to patients without clots. It’s unusual because we have never seen anything like this with other respiratory infections.”

Overall, 20 percent of the COVID-19 patients were found to have blood clots in the veins, and among patients in the intensive care unit, that statistic increased to 31 percent.

Study: COVID-19 Infection Combined with Blood Clots Worsen Patient Outcomes

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While respiratory issues continue to be the most common symptom of a COVID-19 infection, new research indicates the disease could also be associated with an increased tendency of the blood to clot, leading to a...

 

John Gruber:

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One death after 7 million J&J vaccinations for these blood clots (which they don’t even know are attributable to the vaccine), versus over 50,000 dead per 7 million cases of COVID in Americans. That’s a ratio of 1 : 50,000. You can fairly argue those mortality numbers are skewed by the fact that COVID has already ripped through our nursing homes, killing a lot of our most vulnerable people, but still, the risk numbers aren’t even in the same ballpark. And mortality numbers don’t include the millions of Americans who suffered or are suffering from severe cases that require hospitalization.

This is criminal innumeracy.