Jump to content
IGNORED

No Tee - Solution for "Excessive" Driving Distance?


Recommended Posts

Faldo says, don't let them hit if off a tee.  Make them hit if off the ground.  That seems like a simple, elegant solution to me.  

nick-faldo.jpg

Former world No. 1 golfer Nick Faldo provides his solutions to reduce driver distance, including one particularly outlandish suggestion.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Replies 67
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Posts

Why specifically bombers?  What about holding great putters in check?  Or great sand players in check?  Strokes gained off the tee for the top guys is not wildly out of whack with strokes gained putti

What ‘shorter’ courses are out of play? It’s still a golf tournament whether the winner is -25 or +1.

They're not all conforming. They make high COR heads. The USGA conforming clubs they sell are specifically listed as "USGA conforming."

I have a better idea. Set up the tee markers in the fairway and designate that to be the spot everyone is hitting their 2nd shot from. You could also paint a line across the fairway. If you hit it past that line, you have to drop behind he line with a one stroke penalty.

Spoiler

This is sarcasm...

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

The longest players are still going to have an advantage though, Rory hits his 3 wood longer off the deck than Chez Reavie does, so Rory's distance would still give him the advantage over shorter hitting players. 

I'm not really sure what that would accomplish other than most players likely hitting 3 wood off the tee instead of driver.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • iacas changed the title to No Tee - Solution for "Excessive" Driving Distance?
3 minutes ago, klineka said:

The longest players are still going to have an advantage though, Rory hits his 3 wood longer off the deck than Chez Reavie does, so Rory's distance would still give him the advantage over shorter hitting players. 

I'm not really sure what that would accomplish other than most players likely hitting 3 wood off the tee instead of driver.

How many times has this been stated? And you’re correct of course. What a dumb idea. Hell Champ hits his 3W longer than some tour players hit their driver.

Hey I’ve got an idea! How about letting the sport play out where the best players win more often? Golf will always win. Let them swing.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

In other words, just remove the driver from the bag, and nothing else.  Well, even that isn't true.  The best pro's can even hit driver off the deck.  All you are doing is handicapping against the not so good players.  IDIOTIC suggestion at its best

Link to post
Share on other sites

28 minutes ago, klineka said:

The longest players are still going to have an advantage though, Rory hits his 3 wood longer off the deck than Chez Reavie does, so Rory's distance would still give him the advantage over shorter hitting players. 

I'm not really sure what that would accomplish other than most players likely hitting 3 wood off the tee instead of driver.

Rory should have an advantage.  No one is saying distance should be equal.  What this would accomplish is it would bring the shorter courses back into play by dialing back the distance for ALL the players.  

Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

7 minutes ago, Marty2019 said:

Rory should have an advantage.  No one is saying distance should be equal.  What this would accomplish is it would bring the shorter courses back into play by dialing back the distance for ALL the players.  

What ‘shorter’ courses are out of play? It’s still a golf tournament whether the winner is -25 or +1.

  • Thanks 1
  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

3 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

What ‘shorter’ courses are out of play? It’s still a golf tournament whether the winner is -25 or +1.

Of course, if your position is "there is no excessive distance problem" then this is a pointless idea. 

But if your position is that there is an excessive distance problem, and that a lot of courses are becoming obsolete, as a lot of people have expressed, then this is a very simple solution to that problem, and one that could be implemented in one day.  It doesn't require dialing back the ball, or limiting club technology, or buying more land so tee boxes can be moved back 50 yards.   Just make them hit it off the ground.  Players who have a lot of distance like Rory would still have the advantage they deserve.   It would dial back the distance off the tee proportionately across the board for all the players.   

It doesn't mean amateurs like me have to stop using tees.  It could even be a rule that is used only on certain courses.   This rule would not damage the club manufacturers, or the ball manufacturers.  Plus, it's a rule the PGA Tour could very easily experiment with in one tournament on one particular course.  

If you believe that the PGA Tour has a driving distance problem, then this is a very simple solution that works.  

 

50 minutes ago, klineka said:

The longest players are still going to have an advantage though, Rory hits his 3 wood longer off the deck than Chez Reavie does, so Rory's distance would still give him the advantage over shorter hitting players. 

I'm not really sure what that would accomplish other than most players likely hitting 3 wood off the tee instead of driver.

What it would accomplish is that the approach shots would be longer.  

 

51 minutes ago, iacas said:

Dumb idea, and this would bifurcate the rules, which I'm against.

I don't see how making a one-week rule for particular courses is bifurcating the rules.  

Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Moderator
2 hours ago, Marty2019 said:

Faldo says, don't let them hit if off a tee.  Make them hit if off the ground.  That seems like a simple, elegant solution to me.  

I have this problem every time I go to the course. I usually hit 9i off the tee

Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator

Please list all of the PGA Tour courses that the distance players hit the ball has rendered them obsolete? You don’t get to include courses that don’t have the space or infrastructure to host a PGA Tour event, or courses that stopped playing PGA Tour events at them before 2000, when the solid ball was introduced.

Nobody can ever really come up with a good list, because that list is ridiculously short. Could PGA Tour players rip Cypress Point to shreds? Yes. Does Cypress Point want to host a PGA Tour event? No way. And yet it’s still a HELL of a challenge to the average player.

4 minutes ago, Marty2019 said:

I don't see how making a one-week rule for particular courses is bifurcating the rules.  

By definition, it is. It’s not an acceptable Rule of Golf.

Plus, spectators like to see birdies.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

4 minutes ago, iacas said:

Please list all of the PGA Tour courses that the distance players hit the ball has rendered them obsolete? You don’t get to include courses that don’t have the space or infrastructure to host a PGA Tour event, or courses that stopped playing PGA Tour events at them before 2000, when the solid ball was introduced.

Nobody can ever really come up with a good list, because that list is ridiculously short. Could PGA Tour players rip Cypress Point to shreds? Yes. Does Cypress Point want to host a PGA Tour event? No way. And yet it’s still a HELL of a challenge to the average player.

By definition, it is. It’s not an acceptable Rule of Golf.

Plus, spectators like to see birdies.

I refer you to my previous answer.  

If you don't think excessive distance on the PGA Tour is a problem, then yes, this is a dumb idea.  

But when the PGA Tour and the R&A say there is excessive distance, I am alarmed at some of the solutions that have been proposed.  This is the only solution I have seen that is palatable to me.  It doesn't require lengthening courses, or standardizing and limiting the golf ball, or reining in club technology.   

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

14 minutes ago, Marty2019 said:

What it would accomplish is that the approach shots would be longer.  

Yes, but they would be longer for everyone, how does longer approach shots significantly improve the game? Slightly higher scores? So what?

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Administrator
3 minutes ago, Marty2019 said:

But when the PGA Tour and the R&A say there is excessive distance, I am alarmed at some of the solutions that have been proposed.

The PGA Tour hasn’t really said that. I think you meant the USGA/R&A, and there’s disagreement about whether this has gone too far, or what.

We have a whole “distance debate” and “distance insights” topic on this, @Marty2019.

And like others are saying, all that would do is elevate scores a bit. So what?

Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

1 hour ago, Marty2019 said:

What it would accomplish is that the approach shots would be longer.  

So DJ is now hitting an 8i and Zach is hitting a 5i. What would that accomplish? Again...you’re assuming courses are obsolete. I’m asking in what way and @iacas is asking which courses. Fair questions I believe.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

  • Moderator
1 hour ago, Marty2019 said:

and that a lot of courses are becoming obsolete

Merion Golf Club was criticized for being too short to host a U.S. Open in 2013 and Justin Rose won at +1.

1 hour ago, Marty2019 said:

If you don't think excessive distance on the PGA Tour is a problem, then yes, this is a dumb idea. 

I disagree. I think it’s a dumb idea even if I believed excessive distance is a problem. It solves nothing. Players still hit their drivers and 3 woods off the deck longer than the golfers of yesteryear. The “obsolete” courses would still not play as designed.

Plus if it became a permanent change, they’ll just start playing with drivers with little to no roll on the bottom half of the face to make it easier to hit off the deck.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

13 minutes ago, billchao said:

Plus if it became a permanent change, they’ll just start playing with drivers with little to no roll on the bottom half of the face to make it easier to hit off the deck.

I guess that not having a tee might change the driver swing since an upward angle of attack would't be possible, but I don't think it really changes anything because long players would still have the same advantage. Also, as it's been stated in the distance insights thread, it's not like the PGA Tour is playing a ton of architectural masterpieces. I do think driver off the deck is a cool shot though.

And like @billchao said, players would adapt and use drivers optimized for hitting off the turf, and club manufacturers would adapt their design to work better this way too.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.



  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • Support TST Affiliates

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    Whoop
    SuperSpeed
    FlightScope Mevo
    Use the code "iacas" for 10% off Mevo and the code "iacasjun21" for 10% off SuperSpeed.
  • Posts

    • The sickest thing of all though, is that in your country, refusal to take  it is seen by many as a requirement to prove allegiance to a cult. Additionally, you have people, as we do here, (and everywhere else) who are just plain and simple morons I was reading a post on Reddit the other where a nurse was encouraging a patient to get vaccinated. She said she wouldn't because the vaccine is made from the foetuses of aborted babies. When told that this was not true, she replied that it was true  - she had researched it. She followed this up by putting in a complaint to the hospital about the nurse, saying that she felt that she had been "judged".
    • What do you guys think about limit hip turn on back swing for greater hip turn down swing? I believe my swing is full hip and shoulder turn on back swing but only get a little bit open hip at impact. any drill to help me achieve this and get more hip turn on down swing? the best I can do at impact.
    • Day 154.  I practiced the "snapping sticks" quarantine drill a bit more today, both with the alignment stick and my 6-iron (I seem to feel it more in my right arm than my left, although once I've gone for 30 seconds, I can start to feel it in my core).  I also hit a dozen full swing shots with my 6-iron (indoors, off a mat, etc), the usual practice routine for them, focusing on takeaway and position at the end of the backswing.
    • I remember reviewing the changes in late 2018 when they were announced, but early 2019 was a stressful and difficult part of my outside-of-golf life, so I didn't get a lot of chance to reinforce it (I also ended up not following through on a golf-related commitment I had hoped to keep during that period, this is definitely my biggest regret from that part of my life).  And my approach to bunkers has long been to just not touch anything (it helps that I'm not in bunkers that much -- something like one shot every other round or so), so the difference hasn't been important to me.
    • I recently joined up here. I posted a short intro if you'd like to know just a little about me.  In my journey with golf, I'm at the stage where I am introducing golf to a 6th grader and 3rd grader. We are starting out with some range time and a couple of rounds on a par 3 course nearby. I'd really like to hear your stories about golfing with kids. My oldest is an over-achiever, she holds herself to very high standards and she's already shown the ability to be frustrated by the game. My youngest is more of a free spirit, and funny enough, you can see it in their swings. My oldest has a conservative "make sure to get contact" swing, and my youngest swings with wild abandon.  If you have advice on club brands or how to set up a bag for kids, especially with how they are growing like weeds, that would be cool too. 
  • Today's Birthdays

    1. DanTheStallion
      DanTheStallion
      (36 years old)
    2. iYelledFOREatTheHOLE
      iYelledFOREatTheHOLE
      (31 years old)
    3. jd1623
      jd1623
      (38 years old)
    4. Rextarpromodel63
      Rextarpromodel63
      (38 years old)

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...