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3 minutes ago, mclaren4life said:

I disagree about it being a training issue. You see examples all the time of white offenders who have shot and killed people taken into custody without any use of force at all.

Still reeks of lack of training. You can't be comfortable with a situation unless you train for it. Someone who pulls their gun in this situation clearly lacks the experience to make the correct decision. 

4 minutes ago, mclaren4life said:

I will say that a part of the problem is there are a lot of calls police answer that they have no business dealing with and don’t have the training to deal with. That’s an entire different subject.

I agree. 

 

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George Floyd wasn’t shot. Eric Garner wasn’t shot. So the same police that didn’t react with force when armed white people protested outside their capital lost that training when it came to George? Or were those cops off that day when he got murdered? How about the other 3 officers that did absolutely nothing to stop their co defendant? None had training. If the police treated everybody like they would want their child or spouse to be treated all of this would go away. That has zero to do with training. 

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1 minute ago, mclaren4life said:

George Floyd wasn’t shot. Eric Garner wasn’t shot. So the same police that didn’t react with force when armed white people protested outside their capital lost that training when it came to George?

No, the police knew George and probably did this premeditated. This case is unique in that regard. There are videos of police using that choke hold / maneuver on white people as well, with deadly consequences. By all regards, the policeman who used this choke hold did so with violation of written regulation on when it should be used. If they were even properly trained on when to use it. I feel like cops are given a patchwork of techniques that they hardly practice when to and how to use it. 

2 minutes ago, mclaren4life said:

How about the other 3 officers that did absolutely nothing to stop their co defendant?

Two of the cops were brand new to the force and were with a person who has been a policeman for over 10 years. Sorry to say, it probably would be career suicide to stand up to a cop with that many more years of service. It's not the right thing to do, but it's a very human thing that happens.   Especially when you hear stories about how police department culture can be. They would be branded snitches. Their lives would be hell for their career.

Don't get me wrong, I wish they had the courage to stand up to policeman using the choke hold on George. I can understand their position and they're apprehension to not stepping in.

Now, the third cop, who stood by and actually try to stop people from filming, should be hit with higher chargers than the two new police officers. 

5 minutes ago, mclaren4life said:

None had training.

It should be training. It should be training that new police should know they can stand up and report on incidents like these. 

6 minutes ago, mclaren4life said:

If the police treated everybody like they would want their child or spouse to be treated all of this would go away. That has zero to do with training. 

I get you want people to magically have this thought, "Just treat them like family." But, that is a pipe dream that will never come true. Humans will forever treat people they don't know not as family. Still, you can treat someone with dignity and respect and still care for you family more. 

 

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So is it training to deal with POC or all people because they don’t kill white people as often as they do POC. Or do the white police officers know every single white person in the area they police so they some how don’t end up killing them? 

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4 minutes ago, mclaren4life said:

So is it training to deal with POC or all people because they don’t kill white people as often as they do POC. Or do the white police officers know every single white person in the area they police so they some how don’t end up killing them? 

Let's be clear about something: white people are killed by police officers, too:

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Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 506 civilians having been shot, 105 of whom were Black, as of June 30, 2020.

That's not what this is about, because things can be seen (and often are) disproportionate. Which you hint at, but somewhat poorly IMO.

I think training can be important. Let's train police officers to de-escalate instead of escalating. To realize when a suspect is rendered unable to resist and to get up off his neck. To let junior officers do what is right without the macho bullshit culture. Things like that can all be trained.

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1 hour ago, saevel25 said:

No, the police knew George and probably did this premeditated. This case is unique in that regard. There are videos of police using that choke hold / maneuver on white people as well, with deadly consequences. By all regards, the policeman who used this choke hold did so with violation of written regulation on when it should be used. If they were even properly trained on when to use it. I feel like cops are given a patchwork of techniques that they hardly practice when to and how to use it. 

Two of the cops were brand new to the force and were with a person who has been a policeman for over 10 years. Sorry to say, it probably would be career suicide to stand up to a cop with that many more years of service. It's not the right thing to do, but it's a very human thing that happens.   Especially when you hear stories about how police department culture can be. They would be branded snitches. Their lives would be hell for their career.

Don't get me wrong, I wish they had the courage to stand up to policeman using the choke hold on George. I can understand their position and they're apprehension to not stepping in.

Now, the third cop, who stood by and actually try to stop people from filming, should be hit with higher chargers than the two new police officers. 

It should be training. It should be training that new police should know they can stand up and report on incidents like these. 

I get you want people to magically have this thought, "Just treat them like family." But, that is a pipe dream that will never come true. Humans will forever treat people they don't know not as family. Still, you can treat someone with dignity and respect and still care for you family more. 

 

I agree; however, proper chokes can be accomplished.  Practicing BJJ folks do them often.  This goes back to your training argument.  Nonetheless, obviously we'd like to see it not have to get to that point to begin with--de-escalation techniques.

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