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Looked like he dropped back in the fairway. Didn’t see a relief area.  Take a look at the replay and chime back.

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24 minutes ago, Sandy Lie said:

Looked like he dropped back in the fairway. Didn’t see a relief area.  Take a look at the replay and chime back.

You're misunderstanding. This is a basic rule re: relief from a penalty area, and you get several options (outside of "play it as it lies"):

  1. within two club lengths of the point of entry (red penalty area)
  2. back on a line (yellow and red)
  3. stroke and distance (yellow and red)

The "relief area" is defined in the Rules of Golf: https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rules-and-interpretations.html#!ruletype=fr&section=definitions&subrulenum=56

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And 17.1d(2):

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rules-and-interpretations.html#!ruletype=fr&section=rule&rulenum=17&subrulenum=1

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As I said in the first post, the relief area is in the general area, which includes the rough, the fairway, etc.

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...so he’s in the rough hitting his 2nd shot.  He’s not in a penalty area.  He tops it into the water. It seems that he went back on a line, but how far back can he go.  It looked like it was more than 2 club lengths, or does that not apply? 

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1 hour ago, Sandy Lie said:

...so he’s in the rough hitting his 2nd shot.  He’s not in a penalty area.  He tops it into the water. It seems that he went back on a line, but how far back can he go.  It looked like it was more than 2 club lengths, or does that not apply? 

He's in the penalty area (the water) when he takes his drop! He can go back as far as he wants on that line (and since 2019, up to one clublength to the side of that line).

This is a pretty basic rule that hasn't changed much (the ± one-clublength width added in 2019) for decades.

Prior to 2019 if you hit it into a water hazard (not a "lateral" water hazard, a yellow hazard), you had three options:

  • play it as it lies
  • replay the shot (stroke and distance)
  • drop "back on a line."
  • (a fourth option was available if there was a drop zone)

Those are still the same three (or four) options, except the third now includes a little wiggle room left or right of the exact line.

I apologize for the surprise here. This is a basic rule that I'd expect most 4.9 index golfers to understand. On the bright side, maybe learning some of the Rules could help you get that down to a 3.9 or something!

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36 minutes ago, iacas said:

I apologize for the surprise here. This is a basic rule that I'd expect most 4.9 index golfers to understand. On the bright side, maybe learning some of the Rules could help you get that down to a 3.9 or something!

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16 hours ago, iacas said:

Tiger (that was me, btw) 

I still haven't forgiven you for that...

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4 hours ago, colin007 said:

I still haven't forgiven you for that...

Someone else was gonna get it if it wasn't me. I just happened to be the first to get through and know someone on the grounds.

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DJ plays a different game when he's on.  I don't think there's a golfer on the planet that can match DJ when he's at his best...

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6 hours ago, Chris223 said:

DJ plays a different game when he's on.  I don't think there's a golfer on the planet that can match DJ when he's at his best...

He’s awesome isn’t he. I reckon Rory at his best gives him a good game, but he’s not done that for a while. 

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I didn't expect today's to be this exciting.  I'm glad I'm watching.

 

Also a moment ago I realized I hadn't had any Coke (no DJ jokes please) all week, not even while watching.  So I now have a Cherry Coke Zero to accompany me as I finish watching.

Commercial free finish is awesome, but I was hoping for some down time to step outside for Speed Sticks.  First world problem I know.

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In case you want to know scores (and OWGR points) for this event

Spoiler

TOUR Championship

6TH SEPTEMBER 2020 - Strength of Field 465

Pos Ctry Name R1 R2 R3 R4 Agg Ranking Points
1 USA Xander Schauffele 67 65 67 66 265 58
2 USA Scottie Scheffler 71 66 66 65 268 34.8
T3 USA Dustin Johnson 67 70 64 68 269 20.3
T3 USA Justin Thomas 66 71 66 66 269 20.3
5 ENG Tyrrell Hatton 67 66 71 66 270 13.92
6 ESP Jon Rahm 65 74 66 66 271 11.6
T7 COL Sebastian J Munoz 71 65 70 66 272 8.816
T7 USA Collin Morikawa 71 65 67 69 272 8.816
T7 USA Patrick Reed 71 66 70 65 272 8.816
T7 CAN Mackenzie Hughes 70 69 66 67 272 8.816
T7 NIR Rory McIlroy 64 71 70 67 272 8.816
12 KOR Sungjae Im 68 64 72 70 274 6.96
13 USA Harris English 70 69 69 67 275 6.38
T14 USA Tony Finau 68 71 66 71 276 5.51333
T14 NOR Viktor Hovland 69 69 68 70 276 5.51333
T14 MEX Abraham Ancer 64 71 69 72 276 5.51333
T17 USA Daniel Berger 69 71 64 73 277 4.5
T17 JPN Hideki Matsuyama 70 70 67 70 277 4.5
T17 USA Lanto Griffin 67 69 69 72 277 4.5
T17 USA Webb Simpson 70 71 68 68 277 4.5
21 USA Brendon Todd 67 68 70 74 279 3.78
T22 USA Kevin Kisner 72 68 69 71 280 3.36
T22 AUS Cameron Smith 68 68 73 71 280 3.36
T22 USA Cameron Champ 68 71 70 71 280 3.36
T25 USA Bryson DeChambeau 72 69 69 71 281 3.08
T25 USA Ryan Palmer 72 72 70 67 281 3.08
27 USA Kevin Na 69 70 71 72 282 2.9
T28 AUS Marc Leishman 66 75 73 69 283 2.72
T28 CHI Joaquin Niemann 72 72 67 72 283 2.72
30 USA Billy Horschel 70 73 71 70 284 2.62

 

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43 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

In case you want to know scores (and OWGR points) for this event

  Reveal hidden contents

TOUR Championship

6TH SEPTEMBER 2020 - Strength of Field 465

Pos Ctry Name R1 R2 R3 R4 Agg Ranking Points
1 USA Xander Schauffele 67 65 67 66 265 58
2 USA Scottie Scheffler 71 66 66 65 268 34.8
T3 USA Dustin Johnson 67 70 64 68 269 20.3
T3 USA Justin Thomas 66 71 66 66 269 20.3
5 ENG Tyrrell Hatton 67 66 71 66 270 13.92
6 ESP Jon Rahm 65 74 66 66 271 11.6
T7 COL Sebastian J Munoz 71 65 70 66 272 8.816
T7 USA Collin Morikawa 71 65 67 69 272 8.816
T7 USA Patrick Reed 71 66 70 65 272 8.816
T7 CAN Mackenzie Hughes 70 69 66 67 272 8.816
T7 NIR Rory McIlroy 64 71 70 67 272 8.816
12 KOR Sungjae Im 68 64 72 70 274 6.96
13 USA Harris English 70 69 69 67 275 6.38
T14 USA Tony Finau 68 71 66 71 276 5.51333
T14 NOR Viktor Hovland 69 69 68 70 276 5.51333
T14 MEX Abraham Ancer 64 71 69 72 276 5.51333
T17 USA Daniel Berger 69 71 64 73 277 4.5
T17 JPN Hideki Matsuyama 70 70 67 70 277 4.5
T17 USA Lanto Griffin 67 69 69 72 277 4.5
T17 USA Webb Simpson 70 71 68 68 277 4.5
21 USA Brendon Todd 67 68 70 74 279 3.78
T22 USA Kevin Kisner 72 68 69 71 280 3.36
T22 AUS Cameron Smith 68 68 73 71 280 3.36
T22 USA Cameron Champ 68 71 70 71 280 3.36
T25 USA Bryson DeChambeau 72 69 69 71 281 3.08
T25 USA Ryan Palmer 72 72 70 67 281 3.08
27 USA Kevin Na 69 70 71 72 282 2.9
T28 AUS Marc Leishman 66 75 73 69 283 2.72
T28 CHI Joaquin Niemann 72 72 67 72 283 2.72
30 USA Billy Horschel 70 73 71 70 284 2.62

 

Huh, that's interesting.  

Spoiler

OWGR points were based on low gross not low net.  I wondered about that.

 

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On 9/6/2020 at 3:39 PM, iacas said:

Someone else was gonna get it if it wasn't me. I just happened to be the first to get through and know someone on the grounds.

Someone else got credit for it in a book I’m currently listening to. FWIW

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8 hours ago, Wally Fairway said:

In case you want to know scores (and OWGR points) for this event

  Reveal hidden contents

TOUR Championship

6TH SEPTEMBER 2020 - Strength of Field 465

Pos Ctry Name R1 R2 R3 R4 Agg Ranking Points
1 USA Xander Schauffele 67 65 67 66 265 58
2 USA Scottie Scheffler 71 66 66 65 268 34.8
T3 USA Dustin Johnson 67 70 64 68 269 20.3
T3 USA Justin Thomas 66 71 66 66 269 20.3
5 ENG Tyrrell Hatton 67 66 71 66 270 13.92
6 ESP Jon Rahm 65 74 66 66 271 11.6
T7 COL Sebastian J Munoz 71 65 70 66 272 8.816
T7 USA Collin Morikawa 71 65 67 69 272 8.816
T7 USA Patrick Reed 71 66 70 65 272 8.816
T7 CAN Mackenzie Hughes 70 69 66 67 272 8.816
T7 NIR Rory McIlroy 64 71 70 67 272 8.816
12 KOR Sungjae Im 68 64 72 70 274 6.96
13 USA Harris English 70 69 69 67 275 6.38
T14 USA Tony Finau 68 71 66 71 276 5.51333
T14 NOR Viktor Hovland 69 69 68 70 276 5.51333
T14 MEX Abraham Ancer 64 71 69 72 276 5.51333
T17 USA Daniel Berger 69 71 64 73 277 4.5
T17 JPN Hideki Matsuyama 70 70 67 70 277 4.5
T17 USA Lanto Griffin 67 69 69 72 277 4.5
T17 USA Webb Simpson 70 71 68 68 277 4.5
21 USA Brendon Todd 67 68 70 74 279 3.78
T22 USA Kevin Kisner 72 68 69 71 280 3.36
T22 AUS Cameron Smith 68 68 73 71 280 3.36
T22 USA Cameron Champ 68 71 70 71 280 3.36
T25 USA Bryson DeChambeau 72 69 69 71 281 3.08
T25 USA Ryan Palmer 72 72 70 67 281 3.08
27 USA Kevin Na 69 70 71 72 282 2.9
T28 AUS Marc Leishman 66 75 73 69 283 2.72
T28 CHI Joaquin Niemann 72 72 67 72 283 2.72
30 USA Billy Horschel 70 73 71 70 284 2.62

 

Could you imagine winning the FedEx Cup / Tournament of Champions and losing the #1 Word Ranking?

That would be terrible for the FedEx Cup imo. I don’t think FedEx would be very happy about that

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15 hours ago, Slim_Pivot said:

Someone else got credit for it in a book I’m currently listening to. FWIW

No, he didn't.

He (David Eger) was credited with calling in while Tiger was still on the course, thus for the "meeting" they had while he was still playing.

I got word out immediately after (during, really) Tiger's interview, which resulted in the actual penalty.

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On 9/8/2020 at 7:06 AM, Slim_Pivot said:

Could you imagine winning the FedEx Cup / Tournament of Champions and losing the #1 Word Ranking?

That would be terrible for the FedEx Cup imo. I don’t think FedEx would be very happy about that

How about DJ not winning the PGA player of the year, actually finished 5th. Interesting formula for determining the award, and DJ did have some bad weeks (missed cuts) that hurt him in this award determination). While he might not like it, I think he has 15 million reasons not to care to much.

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The PGA of America announced Justin Thomas had won its points-based Player of the Year award, with Dustin Johnson coming up surprisingly short

 

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