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Gary Player's Rant on Trees

Gary Player's Rant on Trees  

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  1. 1. Do you agree with Gary Player re: trees on a golf course? (See the first post)

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Trees have saved many lives for me on the golf course. Mostly left lining trees.🙂

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I’m a fan of tree lined courses. That said a course has a design that should match the area and terrain. An inland setting with trees calls for a parkland style design. A barren Oceanside area calls for a links. The photos of old courses when they where built is misleading. Some of those designers planned for the course to mature. Trees force golfers to hit the ball straight or use shotmaking to navigate around. That’s how golf should be played. Bomb and gougers don’t like trees because they want to hit it anywhere and be in good  shape. Unfortunately that’s not golf but it’s where the game is going.

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I generally do not like trees on golf courses. On most courses, they are overgrown and narrow playing corridors, making the course more difficult than it should be. Any tree that's in play and not trimmed so someone can hit a golf ball under them is a crime.

That said, there are some courses where the trees fit in nicely. If they do not narrow playing corridors too much and allow for recovery, then they're fine. 

Gary Player, though...

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For me, there's a big difference between tree lined fairways and forest lined holes. Holes separated by large trees that are cleared of thick brush underneath are fine, because even tho you might be blocked, you still can find your ball and advance it - think most of Firestone. It's when everything is overgrown and you can't even find your ball that I don't like - like TPC Boston.

Oh, and Gary Player is an asshat.

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I fully disagree with GP.  He talks about being a conservationist and a tree huger.  I am not aware that they are cutting down the Giant Redwoods, Sequoias, etc. to make room for a golf course.  I do not agree with bulldozing the Amazon or "Ancient" trees that cannot be replaced but that is not comparable to cutting a tree on a golf course.  Also, trees in general are renewable resource. That is why we have not run out of lumber to build homes or paper to enable the endless stream of junk mail in our mail-boxes.    As for cutting 80 year old trees on a course, if it is a 100 year old course then the tree was not in the original design so it can be justified to bring the course back to the original design.  Even if the tree was placed on the course 80 years ago by the architect, it's impact on the course design today may not be what was intended at the time.  Even if being true to the original design is not the question, courses have the right to make improvements as they feel necessary.  I do no think they are just cutting them down for firewood.

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I voted no. I think Gary Player is an idiot. The fact that he is comparing deforestation in the Amazon to golf course tree maintenance is ridiculous.

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I agree there’s a difference between trees and a forest. I get more satisfaction out of hitting a successful punch cut out from under a branch than I do a good shot from the fairway. Strategically placed trees create shot making decisions. One or two trees placed properly on a dog leg creates a target decision of the tee. If you want to play on a cow pasture why pay a green fee?

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Gary Player is a complete quack, but I do appreciate trees on most golf courses, and I feel they definitely have their place in much of the golf world.  Probably put me in the in-between category.

Watching the PGA Championship at TPC Harding Park, I considered the course very ordinary with the exception of large Cypress trees lining each hole.

As president of my golf club, I just spearheaded an effort to add 20 trees between a couple of holes where golfers tend to hit the ball onto the wrong hole and not have any penalty for it.  I viewed it as a dangerous situation that these trees could eventually help remedy.

The PGA Tour plays on very few courses where trees are not part of play. 

Shinnecock Hills and Oakmont have great earthwork on them to make interesting elevation changes and undulations that most courses do not have.  The same could be said for most of the courses on The Open rotation.  I can see on courses that have great earthwork that large trees all over the place would take away from the undulation design elements.  It is pretty tough to say that courses that do not have these elevation changes and undulations should cut down most of their trees to get back to the designers "original intent".  I really don't care to always play "goat tracks" where we have flat holes and somewhat flat greens with the only potential obstacle being long rough.  To me golf is great because every course offers different challenges for the golfer.  It can be played just about anywhere with each course offering up local challenges for the golfer.  

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On 9/23/2020 at 11:39 AM, iacas said:

Yeah, I know. But I think even Gary Player would say the Old Course is a great course. It might be one of only about three he would say that about a course on which he never won, but…

BTW, Oakmont in 1994 vs. Oakmont in 2009 or 2016? No contest. Removing thousands of trees made Oakmont WAY better.

Brookside Country Club in Canton, Ohio. They found the original design by Donald Ross and took out over a thousand trees. It opened the views of the course and made it much more playable and visually pleasing. 

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I voted "no" as I disagree with Player... I do agree with many comments above that depending on the location of the course and its age the removal of trees (or lack of trees altogether) makes for a better course. I don't think this is an either/or discussion, however, as many tree lined holes/courses rank amongst my favorites. As someone else said I do enjoy threading the ball through trees or having to get creative in hitting punch shots when hitting the *rare* wayward drive. 

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On 9/24/2020 at 12:59 PM, iacas said:

Ditto. I've never known a time when I didn't dislike him.

Fine golfer and perpetual jerk. Aggressive little man with a complex, who has not improved with age.

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