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1 minute ago, billchao said:

You and I must have different definitions of “really hurt.” Jake Evans is out indefinitely with a concussion.

Good point, but I guess I was thinking of something more permanent that I don't like to even mention.

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5 minutes ago, Billy Z said:

Maybe, but it is severe in the aspect it is the playoffs.

That should be irrelevant.

Same rules throughout. The NHL sucks at that though.

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8 minutes ago, Billy Z said:

Good point, but I guess I was thinking of something more permanent that I don't like to even mention.

I feel like you’re overlooking the significance of a traumatic brain injury.

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26 minutes ago, billchao said:

I feel like you’re overlooking the significance of a traumatic brain injury.

No I'm not overlooking anyting, I'm just saying the nhl needs to stop these type of hits. You are reading into my comment something that isn't there. I am on the side of the injured player.

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19 minutes ago, Billy Z said:

No I'm not overlooking anyting, I'm just saying the nhl needs to stop these type of hits. You are reading into my comment something that isn't there. I am on the side of the injured player.

Ummmmm.

1 hour ago, Billy Z said:

Somebody's really going to get hurt one of these days.

Again, someone did.

And you think four games sends a message.

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4 minutes ago, Billy Z said:

You are reading into my comment something that isn't there.

I’m having a hard time seeing this. First, you said someone is really going to get hurt one of these days, even though the kid is out with a concussion. Then, you said you were thinking of something more permanent, as if a brain injury doesn’t have the potential for permanent repercussions.

My point is the things you said can happen have already happened. Time and time again.

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24 minutes ago, iacas said:

Ummmmm.

Again, someone did.

And you think four games sends a message.

I did say I wouldn't mind seeing more games suspension. By the way, Montreal won the game this evening 1-0. Winnipeg could have used his offense but didn't have it. You could say he lost the game for Winnipeg tonight by being out and suspended. 

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Current Habs players and some outspoken former NHLers like Sean Avery had plenty to say...

There are some who argue that they didn't see a problem with Scheifele's hit, not me, the other night as quoted in the following link.

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Four games for that hit feels a little weak. Seems clear from the video that Sheifele had no real chance to actually prevent the goal with the hit and that he was angling for the hit rather than a play on the puck anyways. NHL better hope the series doesn't go to Game 6.

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@Billy Z I’m confident anyone with an eighth grade reading level can see what you’ve said and point out how dippy it’s been.

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Ever since the CTE became a well-known public fact, the NHL has been walking a tight rope.

The league knows full well that a large number of its customers want a physical game with full, robust body checking. But now it can't afford to have guys get seriously injured the way they used to. The result is this weird, uneven style of disciplining various infractions. In regard to the Schiefele-Evans incident I've seen people say he ought to get 10 games, 4 games or nothing at all, even a charging minor.

The challenge for the NHL is finding some sort of consistent way to deal with things. I'm not sure if this is ultimately going to render pro hockey into a non-checking league or not.

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32 minutes ago, mcanadiens said:

The challenge for the NHL is finding some sort of consistent way to deal with things. I'm not sure if this is ultimately going to render pro hockey into a non-checking league or not.

There’s a significant gap between enforcing rules for player safety and making the league no body checking. The object isn’t to make the sport injury-free, which is impossible, but to remove unnecessary danger to players from non-hockey plays.

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3 minutes ago, billchao said:

There’s a significant gap between enforcing rules for player safety and making the league no body checking. The object isn’t to make the sport injury-free, which is impossible, but to remove unnecessary danger to players from non-hockey plays.

There is a heck of a lot of gray area in there.

"Non-hockey plays"? So what exactly is that anyway? Obviously there are gratuitous examples (Hunter on Turgeon), It, I think, is easier in theory than it is in practice.

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7 hours ago, mcanadiens said:

There is a heck of a lot of gray area in there.

"Non-hockey plays"? So what exactly is that anyway? Obviously there are gratuitous examples (Hunter on Turgeon), It, I think, is easier in theory than it is in practice.

Could you not say something like "where the hit was primarily intended to hurt the opposing player rather than separate them from the puck"?

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7 hours ago, mcanadiens said:

There is a heck of a lot of gray area in there.

Not as much as you and other dinosaurs like to pretend there is.

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9 hours ago, mcanadiens said:

"Non-hockey plays"? So what exactly is that anyway?

They’re in here:

https://cms.nhl.bamgrid.com/images/assets/binary/319997074/binary-file/file.pdf

The term isn’t explicitly defined, but one can argue that any play that breaches the rules and results in a penalty is not a hockey play.

If they changed all non-fighting major penalties to include a game misconduct and automatic suspension with fines, that would go a long way towards preventing unnecessary injuries.

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Great game last night, Boston/NYI, especially when rooting for the Isles! 

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9 hours ago, iacas said:

Not as much as you and other dinosaurs like to pretend there is.

If there wasn't still grey area then, by your logic, the NHL would have dealt out several of your 10-game suspensions. I know. The dinosaurs are still in charge.

Don't fret. The trend is obvious.

Player protection is a priority and eventually the NHL will be a non-contact version of the sport. I'm sure you and your enlightened friends will enjoy the game very much.

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15 minutes ago, mcanadiens said:

If there wasn't still grey area then, by your logic, the NHL would have dealt out several of your 10-game suspensions. I know. The dinosaurs are still in charge.

Don't fret. The trend is obvious.

Player protection is a priority and eventually the NHL will be a non-contact version of the sport. I'm sure you and your enlightened friends will enjoy the game very much.

Hockey, like Rugby and the NFL etc is not just a contact sport. It’s an IMPACT sport. Rugby has recently introduced tighter laws in the “gray” area involving head impacts. The result of this is that the impacts are still significant, the game is still physical, but players needs must be more accurate with their physicality. They can still be rough sports and a fair bit safer.

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