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2 minutes ago, HankBlue said:

On numerous occasions, the National Championship was decided by ONE MEETING between two opponents.  Once, a 2-point attempt decided it.  How is that any different than a conference championship?  Win your conference or stay home.  And, if the team from the MAC, IVY, or whatever gets blown out... SO WHAT?!  They earned the shot by winning that conference.

[FYI: In 1973, an undefeated Michigan (10-0-1) didn't go to ANY bowl (because of the existing Big 10 rules at the time).]

Dude you're not even addressing the questions that you are directly being asked, you're just making random claims that don't make logical sense.

I've asked you multiple different questions in attempts to get you to back up your claims with logic and you have failed to do so. 

You're refusing to acknowledge the facts and logic that myself and others are using to form our opinions. 

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On 10/28/2021 at 9:12 AM, klineka said:

Please explain why a team like Utah State, Kent State, or Appalachian State would deserve to be in the playoff over any of those schools I just listed. Simply "Winning your conference championship" is not enough for me, not when there is such disparity between conferences. 

It's that disparity between the conferences that is one of truly frustrating things about college football.

On the one hand, all these schools in the smaller conferences want the prestige associated with having a Division I football program. On the other, they all know they'll never win a national championship. The best they can hope for is winning their conference, getting into some sort of bowl game and the occasional upset (like my BG Falcons knocking off Minnesota). 

Tying the playoffs to winning a conference championship sounds like a good idea to me, but obviously you'd have to create a new division structure and get rid of half the schools that currently play in the top division. That seems pretty unlikely to me. 

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2 hours ago, HankBlue said:

They earned the shot by winning that conference.

No.

 

2 hours ago, klineka said:

Not when there is such disparity in skill level between different conferences.

Because this.

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5 hours ago, HankBlue said:

On numerous occasions, the National Championship was decided by ONE MEETING between two opponents. 

You may be talking about the time when we didn't have a playoff. You are comparing apples to oranges here. Of course the NC game in the BCS era was going to be the first time two teams played each other (except LSU v Alabama rematch). In no way did a conference championship guarantee you a shot at the NC game in the BCS era. 

5 hours ago, HankBlue said:

How is that any different than a conference championship?  Win your conference or stay home. 

Because we are deciding who gets into a playoff. With limited spots, it needs to be the best team. The best team, FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON, is not necessarily the conference champion when you have conference with unequal distribution of teams based on how they play. Look at the B10 West, it is a dumpster fire this year. A 2-loss team, maybe a 3-loss team could make it. Why should they be rewarded a playoff spot by winning one game. They don't. You are basically saying, the entire season doesn't matter, and only one game matters for making the playoff. Why play a regular season at all? 

5 hours ago, HankBlue said:

And, if the team from the MAC, IVY, or whatever gets blown out... SO WHAT?!  They earned the shot by winning that conference.

Nope, wrong answer. They didn't. They earned nothing because of their weak schedule. If your conference has 11 teams in the bottom 30 of the country, you haven't earned anything by going undefeated. Guess what, conferences expand, join a tougher conference. 

5 hours ago, HankBlue said:

[FYI: In 1973, an undefeated Michigan (10-0-1) didn't go to ANY bowl (because of the existing Big 10 rules at the time).

Yep, both teams were undefeated, and the B10 voted OSU to the rose bowl. The OSU v Michigan game was a tie. Guess what, there was no conference champion game back then for the b10. It was the best record, and in case of ties the B10 would vote on it. 

Also, they only had 11 bowl games in 1973, and most of them were just conference champions facing each other, B10 v Pac-12. 

This doesn't support your case at all. 

 

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7 hours ago, saevel25 said:

That is counter to the NCAA basketball. There is no way the top 4 teams are not making into the tournament, even if they lose their conference championship. 

The conference champ game is a de facto first round to the CFP in my scenario.  They got in, they just lost the first round.

 

7 hours ago, saevel25 said:

Why should team B get rewarded with the chance to make the playoff when they took the easy road to get there.

I understand the perspective, by why should team A get in if they just lost to an inferior team when it matters.  It just goes back to my initial point that i wouldn't care when these scenarios happen because you give fan bases like those of team B hope later in the season.  I agree you don't necessarily end up with the "best" teams in the playoff.  

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The only way to level the playing filed is to rethink the reward structure.  Otherwise, just pencil in two SEC teams every year (Alabama +1).  Any, yeah, I know the power conferences are better.  But, soon, you'll see further disparity between even them.  When I was a kid, Bo always talked about winning the Big 10... because we could control that.  And the Big 10 Champ was rarely a national title contender.  Nowadays, the Big 10 Champ is a contender EVERY year.

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7 minutes ago, HankBlue said:

The only way to level the playing filed is to rethink the reward structure.  Otherwise, just pencil in two SEC teams every year (Alabama +1).  Any, yeah, I know the power conferences are better.  But, soon, you'll see further disparity between even them.  When I was a kid, Bo always talked about winning the Big 10... because we could control that.  And the Big 10 Champ was rarely a national title contender.  Nowadays, the Big 10 Champ is a contender EVERY year.

The meaning of this ramble is what?

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Decisions are getting tough in SI’s latest update on a hypothetical expanded college football...

 

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10 minutes ago, Vinsk said:
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Decisions are getting tough in SI’s latest update on a hypothetical expanded college football...

 

But but but where's the rest of the potential conference champs!? Kent State? Utah State?

Get outta here with articles that back up their decisions with facts !

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8 hours ago, Vinsk said:
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Decisions are getting tough in SI’s latest update on a hypothetical expanded college football...

 

Do you think Notre Dame should be ineligible for a bye?

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1 hour ago, HankBlue said:

Do you think Notre Dame should be ineligible for a bye?

Do you think Kent State or Utah State really deserve to be in the playoffs over teams like Alabama, Michigan, OSU, etc?

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3 hours ago, HankBlue said:

Do you think Notre Dame should be ineligible for a bye?

Well it’s often needed logistically speaking. When the bye occurs can be important. ND is rather fortunate to have the 6/6 split perfectly. Six games/bye/six games. Others get screwed like TCU and  BYU I think, with 10 games straight before a break.

But to your question, you have to consider fairness in regards to injury and fatigue. This isn’t baseball. These are college kids. Every team deserves a break during a season of football.

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35 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

Well it’s often needed logistically speaking. When the bye occurs can be important. ND is rather fortunate to have the 6/6 split perfectly. Six games/bye/six games. Others get screwed like TCU and  BYU I think, with 10 games straight before a break.

But to your question, you have to consider fairness in regards to injury and fatigue. This isn’t baseball. These are college kids. Every team deserves a break during a season of football.

I think @HankBlue was talking about a bye for the first round of the hypothetical 12 team playoff in the article you posted because it said the following

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In case you’ve forgotten, the 12-team model features (1) the six highest-ranked conference champions and (2) the next six highest-ranked teams. The four highest-ranked conference champions get byes to the second round (independents are not eligible to receive a bye—sorry, Notre Dame).

 

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7 hours ago, klineka said:

Do you think Kent State or Utah State really deserve to be in the playoffs over teams like Alabama, Michigan, OSU, etc?

I don't know about "deserve."  But it might be fair. B-)

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17 minutes ago, HankBlue said:

I don't know about "deserve."  But it might be fair. B-)

If they don’t deserve it, then it’s not fair. 

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I’m not sure I agree with Alabama getting less damage for losing against an unranked team ( at the time) than OU is for having a poor first half against KU. Cincinnati struggled against Navy and Tulane yet no worries, they won. Yeah, so did OU. 

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3 minutes ago, WilliamB said:

How much should a team like Michigan fall in the rankings? 

3-4 spots

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