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I don't agree with a good chunk of your list, @mchepp. You've done more to list a Troll Scale, not a Golf Swing Guru Crackpot Scale.

Golf Swing Crackpots, off the top of my head:

  • Cite how Ben Hogan did this (though this is becoming less common as the mystique wears off).
  • Use visual aids, often including home-filmed videos using pencils or pieces of cardboard or rudimentary training aids or at least still photos of a pro from a bad camera angle.
  • Use or cite how many "scientists" agree, often going back to some "long-forgotten" scientist or golfer who knew these things and was ignored for centuries/decades/etc.
  • Misspell words.
  • Claim to have a "secret" or that it's "easy" and "natural."
  • Claim to have personal experience, which often includes things like "I'm 67 years old, a +2, and I hit my 7I 185 yards!"
  • Often they'll use "geometry" or some other sort of science "badly" to explain how the right elbow is the center of the "circle" or something, or the apex of a triangle, or who knows what?
  • Etc.
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7 minutes ago, iacas said:

Use visual aids, often including home-filmed videos using pencils or pieces of cardboard or rudimentary training aids or at least still photos of a pro from a bad camera angle.

Oh yeah! That guy who was obsessed with the ‘triangle theory’ or something like that. Years ago...lol. That was a doozy.

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Golflug,

    Since you asked in such a nice manner I will attempt to answer with some facts. The thumbs are the most dominant parts of the hands. If the dominant right thumb is not kept / forced from rolling over horizontally during the DS it will ALWAYS do so and ruin your golf shot . You might want to try keeping your little ( pinkie ) finger leading and always horizontally above your  dominant right thumb while  sweeping the shaft down and around your torso. Kinda like TW , Hogan and most great players . That might lower your hdcp. down to my - 4 at age 82 . Just trying  to help you. You can deny human genetics if you want , but I would suggest you don’t. 
  Not necessary to build muscles in the hands . They are not capable of propelling any object very far . 
Good luck . 

 

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47 minutes ago, Lane Holt said:

Golflug,

    Since you asked in such a nice manner I will attempt to answer with some facts. The thumbs are the most dominant parts of the hands. If the dominant right thumb is not kept / forced from rolling over horizontally during the DS it will ALWAYS do so and ruin your golf shot . You might want to try keeping your little ( pinkie ) finger leading and always horizontally above your  dominant right thumb while  sweeping the shaft down and around your torso. Kinda like TW , Hogan and most great players . That might lower your hdcp. down to my - 4 at age 82 . Just trying  to help you. You can deny human genetics if you want , but I would suggest you don’t. 
  Not necessary to build muscles in the hands . They are not capable of propelling any object very far . 
Good luck . 

 

@Lane Holt, Use the @mentions function and use quotes. They are there for a purpose.

Also, none of what you wrote makes any sense at all.

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1 hour ago, Lane Holt said:

You can deny human genetics if you want , but I would suggest you don’t. 

You don’t understand this at all. 

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4 minutes ago, Vinsk said:

You don’t understand this at all. 

It’s getting to the unfortunate point where this person is ignoring your valid point or trolling. I can’t tell which. 

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2 hours ago, Lane Holt said:

Golflug,

    Since you asked in such a nice manner I will attempt to answer with some facts. That might lower your hdcp. down to my - 4 at age 82 .

No facts here. The only listed Lane Holt that I see in Georgia holds a 5.7 HCP with 5.5 being his lowest.  More lies and intellectual dishonesty.

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8 minutes ago, woodzie264 said:

No facts here. The only listed Lane Holt in Georgia holds a 5.7 HCP with 5.5 being his lowest.  More lies and intellectual dishonesty.

Good research!  I am, at the moment, participating on a news forum.  The current President played golf today for the first round of his administration.  The news says he is a 6.7 handicap.  The former President is a +2.3.  I don't believe either.

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5 hours ago, Lane Holt said:

You might want to try keeping your little ( pinkie ) finger leading and always horizontally above your  dominant right thumb while  sweeping the shaft down and around your torso.

Here’s the problem, @Lane Holt:

  • At any point after about A6, when the thumb is pointing almost directly away from the target, to impact (A7) when it’s pointing almost directly at the ball, the thumb is “rolling” across the grip. The back of the left hand goes from facing the ball, to facing the target, in this time as well.
  • The thumb, from A6 to A7, is lower “horizontally” than the pinkie.

Your next penalty will be 10 points (and will be given, as per our rules, by a moderator not participating in this discussion) which will put you at 20, with those restrictions. You have two things to do, and once again, you did neither. This is your last warning.

P.S. You’re a 5.7 index, not a “4.”

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Iacas,

     It is obvious to me that this is a closed forum in which others thoughts and ideas are unwelcome and I will be banned for posting mine . 
Have a great day !

wishing you all a much success in golf !

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1 minute ago, Lane Holt said:

It is obvious to me that this is a closed forum in which others thoughts and ideas are unwelcome and I will be banned for posting mine.

Not remotely accurate.

You haven’t received any warnings from any moderators for “thoughts and ideas.”

You’ve received warnings for intellectual dishonesty and for failure to quote and properly tag members to whom you’re replying.

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Just now, Lane Holt said:

Iacas,

     It is obvious to me that this is a closed forum in which others thoughts and ideas are unwelcome and I will be banned for posting mine . 
Have a great day !

wishing you all a much success in golf !

@Lane Holt, I don’t understand your logic. @iacas is having a discussion of ideas and because he is pointing out his perceived errors of your ideas, doesn’t mean they aren’t welcomed. It means he disagrees.  But yes, you are simply proving what we have already seen, you don’t really want discussion

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Step 4 in the Golf Swing Guru Crackpot playbook: play the victim, @woodzie264.

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49 minutes ago, iacas said:

Step 4 in the Golf Swing Guru Crackpot playbook: play the victim, @woodzie264.

Always!

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