2025 NFL Draft

[saevel25]

Shedeur Sanders and the Gulf Between Self-Perception and Draft Reality - The Ringer

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The Colorado quarterback approached the draft process like a sure-fire first-round pick. After an unprecedented free fall, it was clear the NFL’s...

“His college tape looked like Caleb Williams without the elite physical arm talent,” an NFC coordinator said. “I’m sorry: You can’t play that game at this level. So, you’ve got to be banking on him making a jump from a decision-making, in-the-pocket, on-time, under-pressure [perspective], where you don’t have evidence of that on tape. That, to me, is why people are going to be nervous about him. He’s not going to extend plays the way he did at Colorado. Nobody does, unless you’re Lamar (Jackson), Josh Allen, Kyler (Murray). Those guys are elite athletes. He’s not. So, it’s going to be a very different game he’s asked to play. I’m not saying he can’t do it. But that’s where the hesitation is going to come into play.”

There is an honest assessment of his game. He is a pocket passer, with bad processing, waiting for the WR to get open. You throw in the level of competition he was facing; you got to downgrade him some more. 

Yep, he is 100% a developmental guy because he needs to learn how to play QB from the pre-snap to post-snap looks and then making quick smart decisions. 

[ChetlovesMer]

33 minutes ago, saevel25 said:

Shedeur Sanders and the Gulf Between Self-Perception and Draft Reality - The Ringer

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The Colorado quarterback approached the draft process like a sure-fire first-round pick. After an unprecedented free fall, it was clear the NFL’s...

“His college tape looked like Caleb Williams without the elite physical arm talent,” an NFC coordinator said. “I’m sorry: You can’t play that game at this level. So, you’ve got to be banking on him making a jump from a decision-making, in-the-pocket, on-time, under-pressure [perspective], where you don’t have evidence of that on tape. That, to me, is why people are going to be nervous about him. He’s not going to extend plays the way he did at Colorado. Nobody does, unless you’re Lamar (Jackson), Josh Allen, Kyler (Murray). Those guys are elite athletes. He’s not. So, it’s going to be a very different game he’s asked to play. I’m not saying he can’t do it. But that’s where the hesitation is going to come into play.”

There is an honest assessment of his game. He is a pocket passer, with bad processing, waiting for the WR to get open. You throw in the level of competition he was facing; you got to downgrade him some more. 

Yep, he is 100% a developmental guy because he needs to learn how to play QB from the pre-snap to post-snap looks and then making quick smart decisions. 

I have no idea if he's any good or not. I've only ever seen him play one game. I will say he probably got bad advice going into the draft. He should have done all the "Combine Stuff" at the combine. Refusing to throw at that combine hurt. 

I disagree about what his game film shows. I'm no expert, but I tried to watch as much as I could this weekend. I think it's really hard to find any game film on him that's worth a pile of beans. He's either playing really inferior competition in which case the game film is worthless. Or he's immediately running for his life the moment the ball is snapped. In which case the game film is worthless. He should have gone through the combine stuff. That was a huge mistake. 

I do think it's a great pick for the Browns in the 5th round. Why not take him at that point? I think he has a chance to develop into something. Completing 75% of his passes, for 4100 yards, 37 TD's with only 10 picks behind that terrible offensive line is pretty good numbers. He may stink out loud at the next level, but being picked in the 5th round means he isn't a bust. He's just a 5th round pick that didn't work out. 

If he stinks. Who cares? .... The Browns have had plenty of bad quarterbacks over the last 25 years. 

[saevel25]

22 minutes ago, ChetlovesMer said:

I will say he probably got bad advice going into the draft. He should have done all the "Combine Stuff" at the combine. Refusing to throw at that combine hurt. 

Probably hurt him a small bit. I am pretty sure Ward didn’t throw. He probably over evaluated his skill. Which may be his entitled attitude.

23 minutes ago, ChetlovesMer said:

I do think it's a great pick for the Browns in the 5th round. Why not take him at that point? I think he has a chance to develop into something. Completing 75% of his passes, for 4100 yards, 37 TD's with only 10 picks behind that terrible offensive line is pretty good numbers.

I agree with the pick at that point. I think he’s closer to an end of the day 2 pick than a day 1 prospect. There has been plenty of QB’s who had similar numbers that don’t thrive in the NFL. It’s easy to get a high comp% in college and put up big numbers.

1) Colorado had to score a lot to win, so they aired it out.

2) The level of competition is low. 

Against FBS teams with a winning % he was 70% with 7.5 y/a. Lots of short easy stuff.

 Versus Will Howard who had 75% with 9.5 y/a. That 2 y/a is huge. 

Cam Ward, 67% at 10 y/a.

Look at Joe Burrow, 75% at 10.2 y/a.

He was unable to read defenses well enough against FBS teams with winning % to push the ball down field. 

I get his o-line was bad, but Miami had an average O-line, not elite and there is a noticeable difference between the two QB’s. They should never been talked as 1A/1B.

 

 

[Elmer]

On 4/25/2025 at 10:21 PM, JetFan1983 said:

 

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Shedeur freeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fallin'. I'm definitely on board with the "Shedeur is bad" takes. Am I right? Dunno. 

 

From what I heard over the weekend, Shedeur pulled a "Bo Callahan" with the Giants.

Per Todd McShay:

“Shedeur didn’t have a great interview with Brian Daboll in a private visit. An install package came in, preparation wasn’t there for it, he got called out on it, he didn’t like that. Brian didn’t appreciate him not liking it."

You can have all the talent in the world (which I am not sure he has, as CU tailored the offense to his strength in a weak division ), but you have to act like a top round draft pick and not like an unproven legend!
If you get drafter at 3 as a QB in the draft you are expected to lead that team, and preparation is part of that. 
Playing ball in NY (any sport) requires you to deal with criticism, and deal with it as a professional.

 

[mdl]

On 4/25/2025 at 7:03 AM, saevel25 said:

Overall, the draft is everyone copying the Philly game plan, draft defensive tackles. 

I mean we're going to win two or three of the next four super bowls, so copying might be a good idea... 😉🦅

Of course, we've gotta stay ahead of the curve, so everyone started drafting DTs, we went with LBs 🤣

[ChetlovesMer]

5 hours ago, saevel25 said:

Probably hurt him a small bit. I am pretty sure Ward didn’t throw. He probably over evaluated his skill. Which may be his entitled attitude.

I agree with the pick at that point. I think he’s closer to an end of the day 2 pick than a day 1 prospect. There has been plenty of QB’s who had similar numbers that don’t thrive in the NFL. It’s easy to get a high comp% in college and put up big numbers.

1) Colorado had to score a lot to win, so they aired it out.

2) The level of competition is low. 

Against FBS teams with a winning % he was 70% with 7.5 y/a. Lots of short easy stuff.

 Versus Will Howard who had 75% with 9.5 y/a. That 2 y/a is huge. 

Cam Ward, 67% at 10 y/a.

Look at Joe Burrow, 75% at 10.2 y/a.

He was unable to read defenses well enough against FBS teams with winning % to push the ball down field. 

I get his o-line was bad, but Miami had an average O-line, not elite and there is a noticeable difference between the two QB’s. They should never been talked as 1A/1B.

 

 

Funny, I heard a talking head on the radio this afternoon saying words to the effect of "Why would any coach want to draft Shedeur Sanders?" 

The point being that since Deion Sanders has expressed interest in becoming an NFL head coach, allegedly even going so far as to "reach out" to NFL teams to express interest in taking over their head coaching duties. Why would you draft Shedeur Sanders knowing that if you get off to a rocky start with him Deion is going to "reach out" to your owner and suggest that he should take over head coaching duties? 

Of course their are more people involved in the decisions on who to draft, but if I'm a head coach and I have a say in the process. I think I'd stay away from him. 

It was an interesting take. I actually didn't think of Deion that way. I pictured it more of having to deal with Deion Sanders second guessing you all the time and being annoying in the media. I never really thought about Deion Sanders actually taking your job. 

[Elmer]

17 hours ago, ChetlovesMer said:

It was an interesting take. I actually didn't think of Deion that way. I pictured it more of having to deal with Deion Sanders second guessing you all the time and being annoying in the media. I never really thought about Deion Sanders actually taking your job. 

I think the initial red flag is having Deion second guessing every coaching decision. Blabbering in the media about his kid being under utilized and unable to shine.
 

I think the secondary fear is Deion wanting to coach and turning the team ownership and leadership into a chaos and a clown car!

The more talking heads I had heard, have reported that Shedeur showed up for interviews unprepared and unserious. And that is not how a #1 draft acts.
it would be 1 thing if he was the most talented QB who played at a top ten school.

But he played in a lesser division and as someone else stated, had to score a lot just to win (9-4 & 4-8).

[mcanadiens]

After the Watson disaster, it really seems like the Browns are hedging their bets with quarterback now. 

My guess is that Flacco is still seen as the old reliable that can play if need be, but they are just hoping one of the other three can separate himself. Somebody is going to be the odd man out by the time the season starts, so it makes for an easy daily storyline out of Berea come training camp.

Still kind of thought that with the 2026 QB class so well thought of, building the other positions made more sense, but nobody is paying me to run a football team. 

 

[JetFan1983]

On 4/28/2025 at 12:44 PM, Elmer said:

From what I heard over the weekend, Shedeur pulled a "Bo Callahan" with the Giants.

Per Todd McShay:

“Shedeur didn’t have a great interview with Brian Daboll in a private visit. An install package came in, preparation wasn’t there for it, he got called out on it, he didn’t like that. Brian didn’t appreciate him not liking it."

You can have all the talent in the world (which I am not sure he has, as CU tailored the offense to his strength in a weak division ), but you have to act like a top round draft pick and not like an unproven legend!
If you get drafter at 3 as a QB in the draft you are expected to lead that team, and preparation is part of that. 
Playing ball in NY (any sport) requires you to deal with criticism, and deal with it as a professional.

 

 

Yea that was bad for sure. Red flags abound with that guy. I thought he sounded super defeated in all his interviews when he finally got drafted too, which could be good or bad, I dunno.

He's probably simply not good enough.

Has some nice throws, but there's a lot of ehhhh in this tape too. 

But yea, throw in rough interviews, the bad mindset. Makes sense he fell as far as he did.

[mdl]

The best not so judgmental take I read on it from some exec was that they treated the visits like college recruiting trips rather than job interviews. His brother hired an agent after seeing how bad the NFL's response to their dad's take on the process was. In the end he probably won't become a starter just because he's not the ridiculous generational athlete his dad was, just better than everyone we know But his bro's response seems like a decent sign that he might take it the right way, realize his coddled you're the permanent golden child attitude isn't going to get him where he wants to go in the NFL, and start the grind 🤷‍♂️ Given that the NFL concensus, rather than the ESPN one, is that he's a good but not great prospect, probably has a backup ceiling anyway. But it would be a cool story if he took this all the right way and found himself a Geno Smith route to eventually becoming a top half starter in the NFL!