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Jack vs. Tiger: Who's the Greatest Golfer?


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  1. 1. Tiger or Jack: Who's the greatest golfer?

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Something I saved from somewhere:

I'll have to check out how Watson, Miller, Casper, etc fared.

And we mustn't forget that Trevino, Player, Watson et al were all playing against each other, as well as the mighty Jack. Interesting programme I saw on Sky yesterday, called 'Overcoming the Majors'. Larry Nelson, and a couple of others, said they couldn't put a cigarette paper between Jack and Tiger but thought Tiger may just have it - but he (Tiger) isn't facing the level of competition, the Trevinos, Watsons, Players, Palmers, that Jack faced. Now that could be because of the nature of him, that competitors simply melt when Tiger comes up the leaderboard. "But I really would like to see him face people like Watson and Trevino and the rest" said Nelson (I think - but memory plays tricks as one gets on...) Must also bear in mind - Monty has more victories than either Singh or Mickelson, and in more countries - with the exception of the USA. Not sure what that stat says.
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For some reason, you have missed hundreds of posts that do accept that.  I've often said I can't even prove that Tiger would beat Vardon head to head, although I'd bet on him. What I CAN prove is

That's very unfair to Jack, since he played events well into his 60's.  It also distorts Tiger's record, since he played injured for several years. It would be more fair to look at the the period

Your quote highlights something that Tiger is seldom given credit for, which is that he has never (to my knowledge) tried to lobby for himself the way Jack did. Tiger is pursuing the two biggest

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I'll have to check out how Watson, Miller, Casper, etc fared.

I really do think it is impossible to argue the comparative strength of the two era's and although it is relevant to the question it is irrelevant to the answer as the two era's when looking at elements as broad as strength of opponents is in my opinion to vast to accurately measure against each other.

EDIT - I know this is confusing to read.... it may possibly be me that only understands what this means lol - EDIT Especially if you choose ignore stats, like you have said in your last paragraph, almost writing something off because someone who you consider to be a lesser golfer has won more than expected... and there for deeming that stat to be irrelevant... at least the thought of the stat being irrelevant was implied.
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Oh this is such a loaded question..LOL

Everyone my age (41) knows the answer to this question. This is like the old school Jack/Arnie debate; which btw was harder to answer because Jack and Arnie were so different in style.

But in all honesty I think Jack would have the edge. (I am even given the technology factor to Tiger)

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IMO its hard to compare one era to another b/c of equipment. Do though feel that Jack had to deal with more competition than Tiger. I can't remember who, but some past PGA tour player said that there are more very good golfers today, but in Jacks day there were more great golfers. Most the time when Jack won someone, G Player, Arnie, T Watson, L Tarvino, was nipping at his heels.

At this time Jack still holds the record for the most wins, so I've got to go with Jack.
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I have to agree. On both counts.

Especially if you choose ignore stats, like you have said in your last paragraph, almost writing something off because someone who you consider to be a lesser golfer has won more than expected... and there for deeming that stat to be irrelevant... at least the thought of the stat being irrelevant was implied.

I made no allegation of whether I thought anyone was a lesser golfer or not. It was a reply to the stats previously quoted about Vijay and Phil M, Tiger's two closest chasers in Major titles.

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POWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!
Oh, I though you meant Jack Hamm, the innovator of the HAMMER!


Tiger has 'pounced' the field but he doesn't have a lot of competition (with a lot of Majors under their belt). However, I do think Tiger will break the record that Jack set with the number of Majors.

Jack is still the greatest. Jack had more 'contenders' (Norman, Floyd, Kite, Casper) to deal with. He beat a legend in his rookie year, Arnold Palmer. The technology of the equipment and the condition of the courses are not what they are now.
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Guys, no, Tiger's competition doesnt have any majors, but that's because tigers winning them all. When he wins 2 or 3 a year, that only leaves one or 2 for the competition to take, and with the field today, alot of younger players get hot at the right time and take it.

Equipment wise? look at all the top level player's bags.Tiger has one of the most traditional sets on tour, and the only club in his bag that would be considered "forgiving" would be his driver, but look at where his drives can end up. If his equipment was giving him a distinct advantage, he would be hitting every fairway.
Yes, he can make bad swings with his driver, but the club itself doesn't make his misses any better.

I voted Tiger, my dad like Jack, people who grew up watching Jack will all lean towards him as the best player, and people like me who never saw Jack, will all lean towards Tiger.
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you are confused that is the whole point Jack's competition was keeping him from winning more. Lot's of second place finishes because his competition was fierce. Also I wonder why you know that the driver did NOT give him an advatage they could have been even further in trouble could they not. Jack was always consistent in his hay day.
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I would say tiger because of his mental toughness, imagine the media circus and the unbelievable size of the spectator galleries surrounding him at every hole, jack was very popular but never had this level of media and fan frenzy to deal with.
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IMO its hard to compare one era to another b/c of equipment. Do though feel that Jack had to deal with more competition than Tiger. I can't remember who, but some past PGA tour player said that there are more very good golfers today, but in Jacks day there were more great golfers. Most the time when Jack won someone, G Player, Arnie, T Watson, L Tarvino, was nipping at his heels.

I think the only really relevant criteria is wins, and in particular major wins. At this point, Jack is still ahead. I've always thought Woods will pass Jack's record, and if/when he does, I vote for Tiger as the BOAT.
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