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Rules Question - Improving Lie in Bunker


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Rule 13.2 is a multiple response rule intended to cover the vast majority of issues that might come up with Ball Played as It Lies. If he still is not satisfied with the answers therein refer him to Section I: Etiquette "The Spirit of the Game." If that still doesn't do it ask the USGA and when they give what I believe will be the answer it would be smart for your opponent to knock it off or possibly be labelled a cheater because that's what it is plain and simple. There's nothing wrong with using a small already present undulation or sand discoloration as a reference where to hit fat while in a bunker. Tapping ones foot 3 inches behind it isn't on the list as acceptable.
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and BTW, when you drop in a bunker, the ball

In the bunkers around here it will just about bounce.

I could probably flip in a little side spin with my fingers and make it bounce right out of it all together.

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Infraction of 8.2 - Indicating line of play?

It's not just that, but it's impossible to "draw a line" without "testing the condition" of the bunker or "moving sand" that isn't involved in "fairly taking your stance."

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Sounds like a real "peach". Hope you spanked him.

He actually works for me. We are joking about the serious sounding emails, but I am not kidding about the rules infraction.

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yes definately a penalty and if was a green side bunker then dont see why he would need to do this.

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Presumably a rake (if found in the bunker and in your way) is a 'movable obstruction'?

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Presumably a rake (if found in the bunker and in your way) is a 'movable obstruction'?

C'mon, people:

http://www.usga.org/playing/rules/books/rules.html Yes, you can move a rake.

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Yes, it's a violation.....whether he's in the bunker or not.

Protip: Drop on a downslope so it runs down and doesn't plug. Works best if it's the side of the bunker, not the front lip.

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The guy is an amateur for sure. Besides, no self-respecting man uses a "swing aid" on the golf course. Reminds me of Al Czervik's laser guided putter in "Caddyshack."

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The next time you play with this guy, start laying a club on the ground, opposite side of your ball, parallel to your target line and see if he squawks.
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He clearly didn't see what happened when Peach touched his line putting in HW18 last year. :D

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The next time you play with this guy, start laying a club on the ground, opposite side of your ball, parallel to your target line and see if he squawks.

No way, Jose. I won't even park my push cart next to my ball for fear that it might be considered an alignment aid.

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