People who don't deserve tips...

[zeg]

The tip jars don't bother me, but I don't feel compelled to use them. If it's somewhere I go routinely, I'm more likely to do so. It annoys me that the culture we have makes tipping necessary in many cases, but it is what it is. I've been a much happier person since I realized that and stopped sweating the couple bucks here and there. After all, sure, you can save $10 in a month by hanging on to your change, but you can save $50 by skipping the coffee each day, so that's kind of a fake argument.

[jamo]

After all, sure, you can save $10 in a month by hanging on to your change, but you can save $50 by skipping the coffee each day, so that's kind of a fake argument.

No, $10 is $10 you'll never have back. And besides there are plenty of people who don't spend $50 a month on coffee (myself included, $0 actually). I dunno, you're argument is valid, but it is much easier to save that $10 by not literally throwing your money away when at least you get something in return for the $50.

[senorchipotle]

The tip jars don't bother me, but I don't feel compelled to use them. If it's somewhere I go routinely, I'm more likely to do so. It annoys me that the culture we have makes tipping necessary in many cases, but it is what it is. I've been a much happier person since I realized that and stopped sweating the couple bucks here and there. After all, sure, you can save $10 in a month by hanging on to your change, but you can save $50 by skipping the coffee each day, so that's kind of a fake argument.

10 bucks is ten bucks, you're right. but it's also two cans of copenhagen, or 150 balls at the range.

[Chief Broom]

10 bucks is ten bucks, you're right. but it's also two cans of copenhagen, or 150 balls at the range.

Guys let me clue you in on something...

Women like guys who take charge and are in charge. They don't like followers, tight wads, or guys who blend in with the crowd. Those are major turn offs for women, especially the hot kind who are used to attention and the kind of guys it takes to get their attention. Take note of the guys you know who are pulling a lot of female action. They aren't the kind of guys who fuss over ten bucks a month or who consider that they could use that tip money for range balls instead. I'm not saying that you should throw caution to the wind and live like you're rich, but women desire guys who are the center of attention. It's genetic. It's the Alpha male. Tipping won't make you that guy, but it's a part of a mentality that projects you as someone other people should be attentive to. There are a lot of ways to project that image and in fact there are plenty of alpha males who are notoriously bad tippers (Tiger Woods anyone?). So not tipping won't destroy your life, but smart people see the entire picture. When you get put on the back burner somewhere sometimes it's because the people who do it know your type and quite frankly aren't interested in catering to your needs...

[normdamarine]

I am not sure how this went from tipping to dating (Hijacker...lol) Anyways, I will not tip anyone if I feel that I am bothering them or wasting their time. I tip really well but I kind of expect some sort of good service, after all I am paying for it. Now lets understand I am not a snob with my nose in the air. I am an active duty Marine with 18 years of service from a poor arse city so please do not peg me like that but I will agree with a few things people have said on here, if you want something, GO GET IT! You want an education, WORK HARD, you want a better paying job, WORK HARD... This is the major problem with our damn society today, people feel entitled to things. You are entitled to nothing other than freedom (and if you want to get liberal on me we can talk privately) and what you do with it is up to you. Be a bum if you want or be a doctor, your drive and dedication is the ONLY thing limiting you...

[Fatphil]

Happy ending still worth $20 tip

[wolverine_man]

Correction. You pay for that ^^ up front and it is MUCH more than $20. At any rate, I def do not tip barristas and I generally tip for most other services, less or more depending on the experience. Usually 15-25% for meals. I gen tip $3 for my haircut but I had someone else do it last time, and it was bad enough that I did not give her a tip at all. Ditto for the cart boys at a highly rated golf course here in MI. I actually had to get out of the car open the trunk ask the cart boys which cart we could have, and place the bags on the cart myself - all while they were apparently too busy cleaning off another cart. I worked as a bag boy a few summers myself and I never provided such lack of service.

[mrt10x]

Damn straight. Those are luxury expenses. I don't drink alcohol, and I don't smoke. There's $3,500 a year saved. I get my hair cut maybe 4 times a year, there's another $80 saved. Massage? Who the hell gets massages?

Socialist

[senorchipotle]

Guys let me clue you in on something...

perhaps the only relative thing you've said in that whole rant. girls like guys because of our attitudes and the way we talk to them. i've had women(back in college) want me to take them out, and when i told them i was flat broke, have offered to pay. thing is, if you know what to say and how to say it, NOTHING else matters at all. i can't tell you how many cougars with rich husbands have tried to pick me up, and buy me things. why? because they really don't care how much the guy spends if he makes her feel good about herself. being a big spender at the bar and buying women drinks is the fastest way to get disrespected and a girlfriend who only cares about your wallet. as far as hot girls go, you get their attention by letting them know that they're working to get your attention, and never the other way around.

[jamo]

Make what you want of it, but I just found this link on Yahoo.com: http://customsites.yahoo.com/financiallyfit/finance/article-108915-4280-1-when-to-tip----and-how-much?ywaad=ad0035

[senorchipotle]

Make what you want of it, but I just found this link on Yahoo.com:

so they have ''tipping authorities'' now?

[jamo]

so they have ''tipping authorities'' now?

I'd like to what what qualifies one as a Tipping Authority. Can you major in Tipping in college?

[Uber$winG]

[Shanks A Million]

^ And that's exactly the point that I'm trying to make. Most of you sound like Bushcemi, well I'm Keitel.

And shanks, what the H#ll is that figure?? We live in the greatest country in the world with the most opportunity to make better life for yourself. Anyone can go to college in this country. We have grants, loans, scholarships, GI Bills. If you work hard enough anyone can succeed.

I think Erik said it best, something along the lines of: "Belief in the absence of fact is faith: Belief

in spite of the fact is ignorance." You say that "America is the greatest country in the world with the most opportunity to make something of your self!" But the facts directly contradict that statement. Call me a socialist, or whatever, but I do believe in my country, which is why I seek to point out its flaws and attempt to correct them. The United States is one of the most segregated, unequal nations in the western world. The facts are the facts, and nothing will change that. Belief that somehow, in spite of these facts, that the United States is still somehow magically the best? That's ignorance. Willful ignorance is the same thing that starts wars, inspires politicians, and leads to the creation of the Church of Scientology. We live in a country where the choice not to wear a flag pin is considered disrespectful. I can think of another nation in which that was considered disrespectful, but they wore it as an armband.

[sacm3bill]

You

There are a couple flaws in your reasoning.

First, you need to more carefully read the article you cited. There is more text there admitting the problems and disadvantages of the Gini coefficient than there is explaining what the coefficient is itself. Second, you seem to be saying that a high coefficient of inequality in America contradicts Leftygolfer's statement that there is more opportunity to make a better life for oneself here. Can you explain how those two are even connected? If anything, one could argue that countries like America with more separation between the haves and have-nots are that way because there are more opportunities to create such a separation. Note that I'm not making that argument though, primarily because I really don't see a connection between the Gini coefficient and "opportunity", or any other value, in the first place. In fact the article itself even states, "As a mathematical measure of inequality, the Gini coefficient does not necessarily entail any value judgement, i.e. the "rightness" or "wrongness" of a particular level of equality." You're the only one who's somehow made that leap. Oh, and incidentally:

The United States has a very high Gini Coefficient, 44th in the world in income equality.

I'm looking at the article you cited and we're hovering right around the median for all countries. So even if you buy the scientific validity of the Gini coefficient, America is hardly one of the worst examples.

I'm not saying America is perfect. In fact if you want to state it's your *opinion* that America does not provide one with the greatest opportunity to make a better life for oneself, then that's fine. (Of course you'd still be wrong. )

The guy who serves you your coffee is making $8 an hour, and working harder cleaning machines and taking out trash than most corporate flunkies who sit around in meetings making $50 an hour.

I'm a corporate flunky (I design network security solutions for HP printers) and trust me, I earn my $50 an hour. And to get where I am I earned a lot less than $8 an hour doing things like cleaning gas stations and washing dishes while going to college.

We live in a country where the choice not to wear a flag pin is considered disrespectful. I can think of another nation in which that was considered disrespectful, but they wore it as an armband.

Ah yes, Godwinds Law:

As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1

[nike_golf]

Guys let me clue you in on something...

haha. I chuckled at some of this, mainly because I didn't expect to be reading it on this subject. What you say does make sense, however. I agree w/ what you're saying about not following, not being cheap, and not really one to worry about a little extra money gone every month for "tipping" reasons, or whatever.

Girls do like the alpha male mentality, and like you said, it's more or less gentic. Not every guy has that mentality in them. That being said, what I like to add is how you act towards and around hot girls. Yes, be a good tipper and don't be cheap. However, a lot of hot girls don't want to be fawned over. Some guys do all they can to make it known to a hot girl that they're interested. They buy them drinks, tell them how gorgeous they are, etc etc etc. While this may work on some, I have found that a lot of girls would rather have a guy that almost does the opposite. They want the one who plays it cool most of the night and doesn't necessarily show any interest in them. It's the very basic and simple, "want what you can't have" type of game being waged is what it boils down to. It's like the girl will make it her mission to get that guy to want her, even though, what she doesn't know, is that that guy already DOES want her, he's just "waiting her out". By the end of the night, usually, magically, that same guy and girl will end up talking, the guy will subtly buy her whatever she's drinking, and from there, it's up to the guy what he wants to do. The girl at that point, is in his hand. Does that make sense to anyone? haha. It works for me. I have a real good buddy who I go out w/ quite a bit. He's a real nice guy. Real nice. He tips and isn't cheap, but other than that, he's a train wreck w/ girls. He'll fawn over them, tell them sweet nothings all night long, spend fifty bucks on them at the bar buying them whatever they want, etc etc etc. He does NOT have that alpha male mentality. He's more or less not confident in himself, so he has to show his interest w/ money and words in hopes that the girl will buy it. It's kind of sad to watch. Meanwhile, I'll pick out a girl or two, share a look or two w/ them, and continue having fun w/ my buddies. In my mind, it's the start of the "game". By the end of the night, if she hasn't made a subtle move to come talk to me, I'll make a subtle move to talk to her. And, judging by how she talks, acts, and looks up close, I'll already know the outcome of the night, or if at least I'm scoring a phone number. Oh, very important. Initially, in talking w/ her, I'm still not coming out and "tipping my hand" to her. I'll still act like I'm not interested, and sometimes, act downright like an ••••••• to her. It depends on the girl. Sometimes, acting like an ••••••• gets them even hotter for you. But, eventually, you usually have to "suggest" something to do afterwards, IF she hasn't done so already. Which, she might. Oh, and that buddy that I go out with who's down fifty bucks from buying her drinks all night? Yeah, all of that buying and talking got him NOWHERE. It hardly EVER does. Me? The one who was pretending not to be interested in anyone? The one who kept bullsh*tting w/ either other buddies and/or random people and "ignored" the females? SCORE. And boy, does that piss off my buddy.

[nike_golf]

perhaps the only relative thing you've said in that whole rant. girls like guys because of our attitudes and the way we talk to them. i've had women(back in college) want me to take them out, and when i told them i was flat broke, have offered to pay. thing is, if you know what to say and how to say it, NOTHING else matters at all. i can't tell you how many cougars with rich husbands have tried to pick me up, and buy me things. why? because they really don't care how much the guy spends if he makes her feel good about herself. being a big spender at the bar and buying women drinks is the fastest way to get disrespected and a girlfriend who only cares about your wallet. as far as hot girls go, you get their attention by letting them know that they're working to get your attention, and never the other way around.

Having girls/women do most of the work and make the move on you, especially when you're not expecting it, is a nice, pleasant experience, isn't it?

However, I hate it when I have to think of an excuse to NOT do anything w/ them, because I'm simply not interested. Sometimes, those cougars can get awfully angry when turned down! With the cougars, like you said, you usually don't have to worry about money. It never hurts though. Cougars aren't going to really care if you have money or not, or if you pay for drinks, or dinner, etc etc., they just want to have some fun, regardless. But, at the same time, I'm the kind of guy who likes to be in charge regardless. So, cougars can be real tricky in that aspect. Oh, and about the hot girls, you're pretty much spot on. Read my previous post about that...........

[Fraser]

That is one of the reasons things are so much more expensive is some countries. pay up front or pay for the tip!

That's a bogus argument.

I say no to almost all tip jars. My exception is in a quid-pro-quo situation. Employers should pay their employees properly and not expect customers to randomly subsidize their income. Starbucks tipping? Not a chance.

+1

Tip jars are a sham, don't use them for something that does not deserve a tip. As for resturant tipping if the service was downright terrible i wont leave more than a dollar even if my meal is over $100. Why should i promote the awful attitude and service of the waiter and justify it with a tip? If you suck at your job you don't deserve a tip; i hate people who will leave a tip just because it seems like the thing to do even with god awful service.

I'm there with you. I've got no problems with leaving one cent and a comment on the receipt if the service has been terrible. Done it before and will do it again.