Carrying Weapons (on the golf course)

[Leftygolfer]

Your original reply actually proved the point I was trying to make. Who says Canadians have more guns and who cares even if they do. Our guns are more likely to be counted as they're registered and either way, it's not like we're carrying them in our golf bags.

I have no idea who has more guns. There are unregistered guns everywhere and I am sure there are plenty in CA. I never carried a gun in my golf bag or as a side arm. I just never felt the need. If I was a athlete or someone that is recognizable as wealthy, then I'd consider carrying a gun. People with things that others want are targets of vilence.

The odd thing is in regards to this argument, is the cities in the US with the toughest gun laws have the most crime. The truth of the matter is the more good law abiding citizens that are able to protect themselves the less likely the criminals are going to commit crime. I don't know about you, but I would rather rob someone I knew wasn't armed. If I was walking up to a house to rob it and saw a NRA sticker on the front door, I'd pass. 99% of criminals don't want confrontation.

[Cornbread]

If I ever moved to Pittsburgh, I'd probably have a gun in the car depending on where I was headed. Even if someone's not going to carjack me, they may carjack someone else, or I may see a beating or whatever. Carrying isn't necessarily about protecting only yourself, but those around you as well..

Although I understand your personal logic.... Even if a state allows concelled carry, your logic goes agaist the very rules you will be taught during your CC Training for Permit.

Even if your standing in a store and someone attempts to rob the cashier, you CANNOT USE your weapon without risk of breaking the law yourself and should you kill said person you can stand trial.

[SpoiledRotten]

A. He would probably take your gun immediately.

The only guns that are useless are the ones that are not loaded or the ones you don't have. Won't argue any more with someone that has lost their freedoms in a certain area and now want to defend that government control over their lives. You'll never understand as long as you live in a country that is nothing but a socialist society with leaders that know more about how you should live than you do. What I don't understand is why have a gun just to carry to the shooting range if you can't use it to protect yourself. Now that doesn't make sense!

[golfro]

The only guns that are useless are the ones that are not loaded or the ones you don't have. Won't argue any more with someone that has lost their freedoms in a certain area and now want to defend that government control over their lives. You'll never understand as long as you live in a country that is not much better than a communist society. What I don't understand is why have a gun just to carry to the shooting range if you can't use it to protect yourself. Now that doesn't make sense!

damn you sound like a red neck. You sound just as ignorant as the guy opposed to guns. Give it a rest and let's not make ridiculously bold generalized statements.

Just because I don't have a gun or if someone is opposed to gun ownership doesn't mean they've "lost their freedom" It means we've made the choice with our freedom to not carry or be opposed to it. Also, just because its a right given to people doesn't mean people should have guns. It often makes me wonder, those who are so eager to carry a gun, I feel, are the ones that should never have a gun in their hands in the first place. I'm all for having the freedom to carry a gun, don't get me wrong...but I'm against idiots with guns spouting off random bullshit about anti communist societies. yee haw git 'r' dun, let's go shoot some illegal immmmigrents cuz they dun take our jerbbbbbbzzz. Just as you don't understand his argument, you obviously don't care to understand his, so both of you should give it a rest.

[lonewolf]

You can be the big boy and walk into the knackers area with your gun.

Once again, you are admitting to a loss of your freedom. You have been conditioned to accept it by your governemnt all in the name of protecting you. You have essentially given parts of your country to the criminal element and that is acceptable to you?

I get it. You believe that if the government bans something then everyone abides by that ban (including the criminals). I'm not that naive or gullible.

[lonewolf]

Although I understand your personal logic.... Even if a state allows concelled carry, your logic goes agaist the very rules you will be taught during your CC Training for Permit.

Um,,,,you are not completely accurate.

[sean_miller]

Once again, you are admitting to a loss of your freedom. You have been conditioned . . .

HAHA - we continually vote in the people who continue to support handgun restrictions. Where is the loss of freedom.

You know what freedom is? Not having to carry a weapon on your way to the golf course.

[James_Black]

Once again, you are admitting to a loss of your freedom. You have been conditioned to accept it by your governemnt all in the name of protecting you. You have essentially given parts of your country to the criminal element and that is acceptable to you?

Man, there's something wrong with you.

There's places you should go and there's places you shouldn't go. Honestly, it's not that my government has taken my "freedom". I'm free to go into those places if I want to. I just choose not to enter those places because I respect my life. There isn't a huge criminal problem in Ireland like there is in America. Certain parts of Limerick, Dublin and Cork have high crime rates. You stay out of those area's your ok.

[golfro]

HAHA - we continually vote in the people who continue to support handgun restrictions. Where is the loss of freedom.

Very well said.

Like i said in my earlier post. I feel the ones who are so eager to carry guns are the ones that shouldn't be.

[lonewolf]

To my golfing friends James Black and Sean Miller,

2 questions:
--1.) Do you believe that criminals abide by the gun bans imposed by your government?
--2.) At what point would it take for you to realize your government is becoming tyrannical? Waht would you be able to do about it?-- I'm speaking hypothetically.
The citizenry is unarmed; the criminals are armed; the government is armed. -- I'm not speaking hypothetically now.

I really do understand your perspective. Different countries; different histories; different cultures. But the above fact remains. You have one less check agaisnt a tyrranical govt. than the US does. Your citizens are not granted the right to bear arms. I'm not trying to convince you to carry a gun; just pointing out the differences and the reason for the right in the US.

[NI4NI]

... We sure do we have choices when it comes to healthcare. We either can die at home or we can die on the floor in the ER waiting room.

Sadly, we are poised to lose this heathcare "choice" soon - thanks to those in legislative power who feel compelled to "fix" that which is not broken for the majority. November 2010 and 2012 cannot come soon enough for me...

[golfro]

Sadly, we are poised to lose this heathcare "choice" soon - thanks to those in legislative power who feel compelled to "fix" that which is not broken for the majority. November 2010 and 2012 cannot come soon enough for me...

wait what? how are you losing the choice? lol. you can still CHOOSE to be covered under a private provider if you want...

what it actually does is give MORE choices to YOU and those who currently do not have the choice, such as myself, who spent 4 years in college with 0 health insurance because I did not have the priviledge of having parents to be covered under. are you the one who's still going around asking for Obama's birth certificate?

[Titleist_ProV1x]

How many violent crimes,or even robberies, have happened on those two courses?

With L.A. right next door and it's 17,775,984 population, most of which are gang bangers, So I'll keep packing the heat, thank you, It's true, our police force here does an outstanding job in keeping the crime rate as low as possible, Especially violent crime, but there is always a chance something could happen and I feel better knowing I'm ready for it

[iacas]

Even if your standing in a store and someone attempts to rob the cashier, you CANNOT USE your weapon without risk of breaking the law yourself and should you kill said person you can stand trial.

You are wrong.

In Florida, for example, where I used to live and where I first purchased the two handguns I now own (and where I got my CCW for those times when I, again, drove to marinas and docks and whatnot at 4am to go fishing), I was authorized to use deadly force in the protection of myself, my property, and the protection of others and their property. In fact, I was (quoting from law now) "justified in the use of deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony." What's a forcible felony (by definition under the law)? Forcible felony.--"Forcible felony" means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.

Man, there's something wrong with you.

Knock it off. This discussion will remain civil, and blatant name-calling like that will not be tolerated.

There isn't a huge criminal problem in Ireland like there is in America.

You're making far, far too many assumptions about the "huge criminal problem" in the U.S. And, no surprise, you're way off target with a lot of it.

[James_Black]

To my golfing friends James Black and Sean Miller,

If you call "tyrannical" making a weapon illegal I want to be part of that country.

I don't want a country where anybody can have a gun. Ireland is a neutral country, we have had enough conflict over the years. If guns were legal the Troubles in N.I would have been a bloodbath. I don't think anybody should have a gun, what gives them the right to use it? It's a lot of responsibility. Not many people need one. Some do, a lot don't. I guess we should get rid of speed limits, they're taking our freedom to drive. Rules need to be made for the safety of the citizens. Crime rates are very high in America. Crime rates are low in Ireland.

[NI4NI]

wait what? how are you losing the choice? lol. you can still CHOOSE to be covered under a private provider if you want...

We'll get way off the OP topic by opening up this can here. The POTUS' origin of birth is a non-issue for me. However, socializing the facets of my life to serve political / progressive gain is a major issue for me. 'Nuf said...

[iacas]

I don't want a country where anybody can have a gun.

Me either. The U.S. isn't such a place either.

But "can" and "are able to" are different things legally speaking. Virtually anyone who wants a gun in any country can obtain one. Not legally, though.

If guns were legal the Troubles in N.I would have been a bloodbath.

Speculative.

I don't think anybody should have a gun, what gives them the right to use it?

What gives us the right? Our inalienable rights as human beings to protect ourselves and our property and to protect ourselves against government should the need arise.

Hey, Britain would have loved it if the U.S. had been unable to have guns when we beat them in 1776 (and the years thereafter). 1776 was not that long ago. What if the people in countries where we see genocide and all manner of ills were able to defend themselves. Governments - and people who want to overthrow the government and seize power - love it when the people of that country can't defend themselves.

It's a lot of responsibility.

Agreed. But what's the relevance? I treat my guns responsibly. My father did before me and taught me well.

I guess we should get rid of speed limits, they're taking our freedom to drive.

Speed limits exist so that we can protect not only ourselves but also our fellow human beings. As they say, our right to wave our arms around stops at someone else's nose.

Your analogy fails to stick. I could make the case that allowing guns is like having a speeding limit. We can protect not only ourselves but also our fellow human beings - sometimes with deadly force - when our person or property or that of another person is being threatened.

Rules need to be made for the safety of the citizens.

We have rules too. The better rules are "citizens in good standing are allowed to defend themselves." And - for the umpteenth time - criminals don't care about rules.

[lonewolf]

"If you call "tyrannical" making a weapon illegal I want to be part of that country. I don't want a country where anybody can have a gun. "

--You're already in that country. Just becasue guns are illegal doesn't mean that people (criminals) don't have them.

"Ireland is a neutral country, we have had enough conflict over the years. If guns were legal the Troubles in N.I would have been a bloodbath."

--Um, The "Troubles" in N.I. WERE a bloodbath. You don't need me to remind you of car bombs, grenades and Libyan arms donations. Or do you?

I don't think anybody should have a gun, what gives them the right to use it?

--Many of us in the US don't care that you think that. Again, I'm not trying to convince you to get a gun; why are you trying to tell me I shouldn't have one?

Regarding what gives me that right to use it? Do you really need that answer? I'm beginning to believe you are a pretty young person with little perspective.

It's a lot of responsibility. Not many people need one. Some do, a lot don't.

--It's not up to you to decide. Need is not the question.

I guess we should get rid of speed limits, they're taking our freedom to drive.

--Nice try. Why don't you answer my question about why the US had so many Irish immigrants in the 18th - 19th century? Why do you think taht was the case? Was it due to British kindness and granting of freedoms?

You want to do the apples to bowling balls analogies then stand by.

Rules need to be made for the safety of the citizens. Crime rates are very high in America. Crime rates are low in Ireland

--Finally, you get a different perspective. fwiw, crime rates are generally lower where citizens have greater access to guns. in the US. When rules are made in the name of citizen safety get to the point where the citizens cannot protect themselves from the tyrrany of a government you have too much power in the government.

This is going to sound harsh,; but maybe you need to hear it. The US is free from British rule and it's citizens are granted a constitutional right to bear arms. Irelend; well?