Jump to content
IGNORED

Does the PGA Tour need Tiger to win a major?


The Recreational Golfer
Note: This thread is 5024 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

A win by Tiger in a major would be big for the PGA Tour right now.......I think Phil's win at Augusta was HUGE for the Tour.

That said, it won't disappear if Tiger doesn't win.......I know he has a lot of apologists out there, but the fact is that he is looking very mid-pack right now....

"Getting paired with you is the equivalent to a two-stroke penalty to your playing competitors"  -- Sean O'Hair to Rory Sabbatini (Zurich Classic, 2011)

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Replies 63
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Unfortunately yes. American golf is not impressive. Having to rely on guys like Johnson, Watney, and O' Hare does not bode well for the PGA. I am missing Anthony Kim and Ricky Fowler is definitely a bright spot.
Link to comment
Share on other sites


The PGA needs a Tiger exit strategy. Maybe some of the guys in the 18 to 25 age bracket can step up - they're getting hyped like they already have, so all that's left is the actual doing it.

I agree, although Tiger is still relatively young, but he's got alot of miles on his body, and it's starting to break down. The PGA cannot continue to build or even sustain the sport around Tiger. The NBA tried to with Jordan, and when he fell from superstardom there was a vacuum that no one was able to fill for a few years and resulted in alot of poor ratings because the non-die hard fans weren't interested any longer.

There seems to be alot of young players ready to step up and the PGA needs to start promoting them.

Joe Paradiso

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

You might wanna read up on some of the LPGA threads on this board and realize that it matters A LOT. Even the LPGA was getting "tired" with the asian dominance on their tour since they couldnt sell this to their target audience, loosing sponsors and TV money left & right. They didnt had problems selling it in the asian market, but again, thats not where they make their main money from. In the end its all about marketing and selling it off, and selling a YE Yang (just hypothetical if he would become a dominant force) to a western audience is a lot more challenging (impossible?) than a Mickelson or Woods.

I don't agree at all.Once people get to know those names, see them in a few interviews, see some personality from them, they'll be just as 'marketable' as anyone else.You mentioned Y.E. Yang.His victory in the PGA was one of the most celebrated and popular wins in a long, long time, everybody loved him.Now, he's more marketable than most mediocre American players on Tour.I don't buy that he wouldnt be as marketable as Phil especially, if he'd been around a lot longer and had a few more Majors.It's not who you are, but what you do on Tour that matters.I understand about the LPGA sponsors etc, but to be frank, the LPGA had it's problems well before the perceived current Asian dominance.Could be a convenient excuse for sponsors already looking for a way off a sinking ship.And as for viewers, well I feel sorry for anyone(generalising here, not you) who'd be less inclined to watch the sport they love soley on the basis that who they're watching isn't American.

A great shot is when you go for it and pull it off. A smart shot is when you don't have the guts to try it. ~ Phil Mickelson.

 
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Regardless of when Tiger leaves (or his game leaves him) the PGA will be OK I believe. Lots of great players coming up and we have Tiger to thank for that. He is the guy that raised the bar. As to the LPGA I don't know why they are having so much trouble. I don't believe it is because of the Asian players. I personally enjoy watching the women play and can relate to their game a easier than to the PGA guys who are just wizards with a stick. Just to be honest the women are better looking too.
As to Tiger I have often wondered just how long he could stay at the peak. He swings so hard it has to be tough on the body. But I am not writing him off as he has had a few dips in his career while he was working on the swing and he came back with vengeance and I believe he has a least one more comeback in his career yet. And yes, it would be good for the PGA to have him winning again.

Butch

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Why should that matter?Where someone comes from should be the last thing that matters, as long as they have the talent and charisma to stand out.The PGA and European tour are both chock full of mediocre no-name players that'll never do anything major in Golf anyway, so will it really matter if they've been replaced by players from Korea, Japan or China?

Because the PGA TOUR is based in America and draws mainly American viewers. We Americans like the local kids, the comeback story, and the child prodigy. Tiger Woods offers all three. Until he returns to form or is replaced by another prodigy the PGA TOUR won't be the same. That's not to say they NEED Tiger, it is just different. Worse.

In my bag:

Driver: Titleist TSi3 | 15º 3-Wood: Ping G410 | 17º 2-Hybrid: Ping G410 | 19º 3-Iron: TaylorMade GAPR Lo |4-PW Irons: Nike VR Pro Combo | 54º SW, 60º LW: Titleist Vokey SM8 | Putter: Odyssey Toulon Las Vegas H7

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Tiger has already won several majors and is mentioned by many fans in the same breath as Palmer and Nicklaus. If he never wins another it might be a tragedy for him or his fans but the PGA Tour will survive until the next transcendant figure comes along.
My Implements of Destruction (carried in a Hoofer Lite bag):

DRIVER: Big Bertha Diablo 10 degree draw, Aldila regular flex
FAIRWAY WOODS: G2 14 degree 3 wood & 17 degree 5 wood
IRONS: S59 3-PWWEDGES: M/B 54, 58, & 60 degree PUTTER: I Series Anser 4 (or G5i Anser, Anser 2F, or original...
Link to comment
Share on other sites


Golf is a sport that is played by so many millions of people, all over the world, most of whom have a great passion for the game. If Tiger died tomorrow, they would still play, and still watch the next tournament.

Tiger adds to the viewing public for sure, but most of those who watch only for Tiger are not golf enthusiasts themselves.

I would argue that more people play recreational golf for fun than any other sport out there. How many people do you know that buy magazines, subscribe to forums, spend tons on money on lessons, etc.. for something like football or basketball.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

i know it sounds weird but once AK gets back and starts getting into contention for a few tournaments the tour will become more interesting imo, him and Tiger are what makes the tour exciting imo

Cobra S2 Driver
Nike SQ 3 Wood
Nike Sumo SQ 3 Hybrid
Callaway X-16 Irons 3-PW
Nike Victory Red 56 and 60 WedgesScotty Cameron Newport 1.5 Putter

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Golf is a sport that is played by so many millions of people, all over the world, most of whom have a great passion for the game. If Tiger died tomorrow, they would still play, and still watch the next tournament.

No question the sport will go forward without Tiger, the question is how many less people will be watching until the next "Tiger" hits the scene. I haven't been to a PGA tournament since Tigers indescretions surfaced, but prior to that, his galleries were 10x the size of anyone elses with maybe the exception of Phil. People I know who didn't follow golf would comment on how he played because it was all over the news. Even my dad who hates golf knew how Tiger was in playing every tournament, that's market influence.

It will be hard to quantify the impact Tiger has had on the sport, how many people are playing today because of him, his impact on television ratings, equipment sales, etc. Nike hasn't had a great selling basketball shoe since the Air Jordan, will they continue to have the market share they do in golf if Tiger isn't out there as their representative?

Joe Paradiso

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

seriously, you guys are talking about tiger as if he's 47 and hasn't won a tournament in years. the man won 6 tournaments last year! and he's come in top 5 in the first two majors playing the worst golf of his life. of course he'll win more majors! he'll win at the very least 5 more.
Link to comment
Share on other sites


It will be hard to quantify the impact Tiger has had on the sport, how many people are playing today because of him, his impact on television ratings, equipment sales, etc. Nike hasn't had a great selling basketball shoe since the Air Jordan, will they continue to have the market share they do in golf if Tiger isn't out there as their representative?

Actually it isnt - you might check this article

http://www.golf.com/golf/tours_news/...863837,00.html for TV ratings & Tiger Woods. The time when Tiger wasnt playing the TV-ratings were down big time.

Burner 9°
FW Burner 15°
Burner Rescue 19°
MP67 4-PW
CG10 50° CG12 DSG 54° & 60°

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Actually it isnt - you might check this article

And that's exactly why the PGA needs to promote other players more. When Tiger isn't playing ESPN will hardly cover a tournament. Kind of hard to get sports fans to watch a sport when they don't even hear about it. The PGA needs to do a better job of handling the media and promoting the game, the tour and the many interesting players more and Tiger less so they don't end up with these terrible ratings and terrible coverage when the tour is Tigerless (injury times, tournaments skipped, eventual retirement).

What's in my bag?
Bigger Sticks....: Driver: ping.gif G15 9* Fairwayping.gif 4-wood  Hybrids: 4,5  taylormade.gif Rescue Dual
Smaller Sticks...: Irons:  ping.gif G15 5-PW Wedges: titleist.gif Vokey Wedges 48, 52, 56 degree
Flatter Stick......:  odyssey.gif 2-ball putter
Not a Stick.........: Ball:  titleist.gif Dt So/Lo or NXT Tour  Bag:  taylormade.gif Catalina clicgear.gif

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Actually it isnt - you might check this article

That article is a bit old, since then Golf Magazine published an article stating that Phil helps ratings alot as well. The sport seems to suffer most when both Phil and Tiger aren't near the top of the leaderboard.

Joe Paradiso

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

seriously, you guys are talking about tiger as if he's 47 and hasn't won a tournament in years. the man won 6 tournaments last year! and he's come in top 5 in the first two majors playing the worst golf of his life. of course he'll win more majors! he'll win at the very least 5 more.

Seriously. what is it with this defeatist attitude?! and whoever said "Mickelson is too old now"...

He just won the damn Masters...what more do you want from him?!

DST Tour 9.5 Diamana Whiteboard
909F3 15* 3 FW stock Aldila Voodoo
909F3 18* 5 FW stock Aldila Voodoo
'09 X-Forged 3-PW Project-X 6.0 Flighted
CG15 56* X-Tour 60* Abaco

Link to comment
Share on other sites


And that's exactly why the PGA needs to promote other players more. When Tiger isn't playing ESPN will hardly cover a tournament. Kind of hard to get sports fans to watch a sport when they don't even hear about it. The PGA needs to do a better job of handling the media and promoting the game, the tour and the many interesting players more and Tiger less so they don't end up with these terrible ratings and terrible coverage when the tour is Tigerless (injury times, tournaments skipped, eventual retirement).

how do you promote "other players" when no other players stick out...?

DST Tour 9.5 Diamana Whiteboard
909F3 15* 3 FW stock Aldila Voodoo
909F3 18* 5 FW stock Aldila Voodoo
'09 X-Forged 3-PW Project-X 6.0 Flighted
CG15 56* X-Tour 60* Abaco

Link to comment
Share on other sites


how do you promote "other players" when no other players stick out...?

You just pick someone based on how they dress and especially if they're < 28 - they're doing it already.

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Moderator
There are no rivalries in golf either, at least where the rivals meet up all the time. Nothing on the order of Federer/Nadal, Yankees/Red Sox, Lakers/Celtics. Of course you can't just manufacture something like that, but if there was one, I'm sure more people would watch.

Steve

Kill slow play. Allow walking. Reduce ineffective golf instruction. Use environmentally friendly course maintenance.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

Note: This thread is 5024 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-15%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope.
  • Posts

    • Day 119: 4/24/24 Chipping and pitching followed by putting through 50 mm gates.
    • @boogielicious and I are definitely in for the Stay & Play and will need the extra night's stay on Friday. I don't know what the plans are for our group on Friday but even if we don't make it for dinner with the rest of the Friday arrivals, I'll be more than happy to meet up somewhere for a beer or something.
    • Taking your dispersion and distance in consideration I analyzed the 4 posible ways to play the hole, or at least the ones that were listed here. I took the brown grass on the left as fescue were you need to punch out sideways to the fairway and rigth of the car path to be fescue too.  Driver "going for the green"  You have to aim more rigth, to the bunker in order to center your shotzone in between the fescue.  Wood of 240 over the bunkers I already like this one more for you. More room to land between the fescue. Balls in the fescue 11% down from 30% with driver. Improve of score from 4.55 to 4.40. 4 iron 210 yards besides the bunkers.    Also a wide area and your shot zone is better than previous ones. This makes almost the fescue dissapear. You really need to hit a bad one (sometimes shit happens). Because of that and only having 120 yards in this is the best choice so far. Down to 4.32 from 4.40. Finally the 6 Iron 180 yards to avoid all trouble.    Wide area an narrow dispersion for almost been in the fairway all the time. Similar than the previous one but 25 yards farther for the hole to avoid been in the bunkers. Average remains the same, 4.33 to 4.32.  Conclusion is easy. Either your 4iron or 6 iron of the tee are equaly good for you. Glad that you made par!
    • Wish I could have spent 5 minutes in the middle of the morning round to hit some balls at the range. Just did much more of right side through with keeping the shoulders feeling level (not dipping), and I was flushing them. Lol. Maybe too much focus on hands stuff while playing.
    • Last year I made an excel that can easily measure with my own SG data the average score for each club of the tee. Even the difference in score if you aim more left or right with the same club. I like it because it can be tweaked to account for different kind of rough, trees, hazards, greens etc.     As an example, On Par 5's that you have fescue on both sides were you can count them as a water hazard (penalty or punch out sideways), unless 3 wood or hybrid lands in a wider area between the fescue you should always hit driver. With a shorter club you are going to hit a couple less balls in the fescue than driver but you are not going to offset the fact that 100% of the shots are going to be played 30 or more yards longer. Here is a 560 par 5. Driver distance 280 yards total, 3 wood 250, hybrid 220. Distance between fescue is 30 yards (pretty tight). Dispersion for Driver is 62 yards. 56 for 3 wood and 49 for hybrid. Aiming of course at the middle of the fairway (20 yards wide) with driver you are going to hit 34% of balls on the fescue (17% left/17% right). 48% to the fairway and the rest to the rough.  The average score is going to be around 5.14. Looking at the result with 3 wood and hybrid you are going to hit less balls in the fescue but because of having longer 2nd shots you are going to score slightly worst. 5.17 and 5.25 respectively.    Things changes when the fescue is taller and you are probably going to loose the ball so changing the penalty of hitting there playing a 3 wood or hybrid gives a better score in the hole.  Off course 30 yards between penalty hazards is way to small. You normally have 60 or more, in that cases the score is going to be more close to 5 and been the Driver the weapon of choice.  The point is to see that no matter how tight the hole is, depending on the hole sometimes Driver is the play and sometimes 6 irons is the play. Is easy to see that on easy holes, but holes like this:  you need to crunch the numbers to find the best strategy.     
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...