I'm Done Teaching Stack and Tilt (Never Taught it Anyway)

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Steve K

Two more big blows to S&T;:

In a Golf Magazine interview, Sean Foley gives no credit to Mike and Andy (i.e. that he ripped them off).

Charlie Wi missed the cut by 2 strokes at the Honda Classic.

I have to assume by "big blows" you're exaggerating mightily. (Yes, okay, you are :D.)

Mike Weir lost his PGA Tour card yesterday. Baddeley missed the cut in Mexico the week after he won at Riviera. And people are realizing what Foley teaches, whether he gives credit or not (too much has been made of this dumb "credit" stuff. Should every instructor give a ten minute thank you speech every time they talk to anyone?).

[Chas]

Originally Posted by Clambake

My point is that what B&P; are claiming with their supposed use of statistics is bad science.   Good marketing perhaps, but bogus nonetheless.

Indeed.  So-called "good" marketing almost always involves bogus science, in my business (pharma) as in others.  That is why there is an FDA regulation that states that no-one in Sales or Marketing is allowed to have any role whatsoever in the design, implementation or interpretation of clinical trials (internal or external).

There is an excellent reason for this federal regulation, it is based on long-term corrupt practices in the industry perpetrated by Marketing departments.  It's as American as Applie Pie.

Erik:  I get it now but you had me going for a while there.  I needed to use GPS to reorient myself properly in the Universe.

[walk18]

Originally Posted by Steve K

Two more big blows to S&T;:

In a Golf Magazine interview, Sean Foley gives no credit to Mike and Andy (i.e. that he ripped them off).

Charlie Wi missed the cut by 2 strokes at the Honda Classic.

Charlie Wi missed the cut? That is a HUGE blow. Obviously we now have concrete evidence that this swing is crap. You're not supposed to EVER miss a cut with S&T.;

[colin007]

Erik, please tell me that you'll now be working with AJ Bonnar?

[Stretch]

For AJ Bonar.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Brunogolf

I still cannot believe people think Foley ripped off P&B;????

Plenty to support that he did. I don't like "ripped off" because nobody has come up with a completely new golf swing since... 1900 or so, or 1800... Everyone's learned things about the golf swing from someone else. Foley learned a fair amount (not 90%, 80%, 70%, etc. but more than 5%, and trying to put an actual number on it is pointless) from Andy and Mike. You're using the word "ripped off," and Steve K. used it, but I'm not and never would. This was a light-hearted thread, though, and you and Steve K. may have missed that.

Originally Posted by Brunogolf

Don't want to go any further with that but Weir is struggling for more reasons then just his swing. There are many rumour floating around the Great White North about Weirsy that make a lot of sense as to why he has played his way off the tour.

His old Injury is probably still a part of it (whether it's healed or not, playing through it may have screwed some things up as well). I don't know what the rumors are but I like Mike and hope he can work through whatever's going on and come back to the Tour.

Originally Posted by Brunogolf

For the S&T; crew so much of the negative crap that is thrown at them is due to the way they treat their former players,  P&B; should be embarrased by those charts on their website showing the downfall of players after leaving them.

How do you know how well they treat their (two) former players? The charts are both factual and serve as marketing material. You can draw whatever conclusions from the charts that you want, but they're based in fact and a number that you can look up for yourself. They're not lying about the OWGR rankings shown (though, as a stat geek, is the "2010" the end of the year or the start of the year? I think it's the start, which means the charts are a year behind). They show Dean Wilson declining while in the "red" shaded areas. They seem fairly honest to me.

Mike and Andy can be somewhat confrontational, and during the really early years of S&T; being out there, were apparently more so. But what "the S&T; crew" did in 2005 or 2007 or 2008 is of little concern to me.

I've said it fifty times now - I hope Tiger does well, I hope Foley does well, and I support what he's teaching and don't care much at all how he learned what he learned. I'm happy he knows it now and believes in it. If he can teach it well enough, Tiger should get better. (So should his other students, but there's so much more than "making a good swing" to playing golf on the PGA Tour it's not even funny.)

Originally Posted by colin007

Erik, please tell me that you'll now be working with AJ Bonnar?

Dammit! You've figured me out. But I'm not going to work with AJ. I'm going to take what AJ teaches (incredibly high rate of closure, never mind that the science says the face can only close about half a degree from impact to the point of maximum compression) and combine it with that long-hitting method Jimmy Ballard teaches Rocco Mediate.

It'll be a drawer's dream. Think about it! AJ Bonar + Jimmy Ballard?

Sure, everyone will need to add 30 degrees to EVERY club in the bag because the pull-draws they'll be hitting will come off as far off the ground as an ant's knees otherwise, but hey, we'll just aim right, never reach a par five (and some par fours) in two, and have a hoot!

Incidentally, and because the number of "S&T;" threads even annoy me , I'm closing this one down now.