Jump to content
IGNORED

Does anyone look "in front" of the ball instead of at it?


airlyss
Note: This thread is 3346 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Recommended Posts

I've been looking not at a spot in front of the ball but the front of the ball itself. It helped me promote hitting 'down' on the ball. I was a 'swiper' and was losing control since the ball would run out without any spin. my yardages on carry distance were good but the ball would not stop. I started looking at the front of the ball and was able to get the spin I wanted to stop or limit the run out.
Link to comment
Share on other sites


this thread made me think about what I focus on when I am set up.

I realized I don't think about any particular spot on the ball what so ever.

I am thinking about where I want the ball to land ( ie. picture of target in my head, be it green or fairway )

:tmade: SLDR X-Stiff 12.5°
:nike:VRS Covert 3 Wood Stiff
:nike:VRS Covert 3 Hybrid Stiff
:nike:VR Pro Combo CB 4 - PW Stiff 2° Flat
:cleveland:588RTX CB 50.10 GW
:cleveland:588RTX CB 54.10 SW
:nike:VR V-Rev 60.8 LW
:nike:Method 002 Putter

Link to comment
Share on other sites


I have had a ton of good fortune doing nothing more than focusing on keeping my hands in front of the club head through impact.  It promotes a sound swing that keeps you from flipping and lets you turn your hands over easily.

Link to comment
Share on other sites




Originally Posted by Deeman3009

I have had a ton of good fortune doing nothing more than focusing on keeping my hands in front of the club head through impact.  It promotes a sound swing that keeps you from flipping and lets you turn your hands over easily.



This is the opposite with your Driver though, right?

Link to comment
Share on other sites


I used to have a swing where my eyes trailed back with the clubhead and stayed there, behind the ball. You can safely say I rarely hit the ball first. There was of course other elements in there, but for me, where I look makes a big difference.

Ogio Grom | Callaway X Hot Pro | Callaway X-Utility 3i | Mizuno MX-700 23º | Titleist Vokey SM 52.08, 58.12 | Mizuno MX-700 15º | Titleist 910 D2 9,5º | Scotty Cameron Newport 2 | Titleist Pro V1x and Taylormade Penta | Leupold GX-1

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

A good drill to help flipping is to play the ball off your front foot, but set up like you would be normally (club in the center of your stance). Swing as you normally would making flush contact with the ball. The only way to consistently do this is to not flip.

After you can do that, move the ball back and continue to visualize hitting the ball off your front foot.

Brian Manzella's "Confessions of a Former Flipper" is a nice watch if you need more help with flipping.

Driver: :tmade: R11 9.0 - Bassara Griffin UL - Tour Stiff 3-wood: :tmade: R11 Ti 15.0 - JAVLNFX M6 - Stiff Hybrid: :tmade: Rescue Hybrid - JAVLNFX Hybrid - Stiff 4-PW: :mizuno: JPX 800 PRO - Nippon 1150 GH Tour - Stiff Wedges: :edel: 50/56/60 - Nippon WV 125 Putter/Ball/RF: :edel: / :bridgestone: B330 / :leupold: GX-3i

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Administrator

Originally Posted by Precis1on

Brian Manzella's "Confessions of a Former Flipper" is a nice watch if you need more help with flipping.


There's been some hubbub lately due to the fact that he's since decided that the stuff he was teaching recently isn't right either, and now you can have "too much lag." Y'know, because that's a big problem we see all the time, too much lag... Anyway, I think that video's getting completely remade with his "new" information (regardless of whether that information is new to everyone or just him).

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades


Originally Posted by iacas

There's been some hubbub lately due to the fact that he's since decided that the stuff he was teaching recently isn't right either, and now you can have "too much lag." Y'know, because that's a big problem we see all the time, too much lag... Anyway, I think that video's getting completely remade with his "new" information (regardless of whether that information is new to everyone or just him).


I would like this whole "Too much lag" thing. Gimme!

Driver: :tmade: R11 9.0 - Bassara Griffin UL - Tour Stiff 3-wood: :tmade: R11 Ti 15.0 - JAVLNFX M6 - Stiff Hybrid: :tmade: Rescue Hybrid - JAVLNFX Hybrid - Stiff 4-PW: :mizuno: JPX 800 PRO - Nippon 1150 GH Tour - Stiff Wedges: :edel: 50/56/60 - Nippon WV 125 Putter/Ball/RF: :edel: / :bridgestone: B330 / :leupold: GX-3i

Link to comment
Share on other sites


There might be too much, "hackers trying to delay impact in order to add lag and create awesome power".

Mizuno MP600 driver, Cleveland '09 Launcher 3-wood, Callaway FTiz 18 degree hybrid, Cleveland TA1 3-9, Scratch SS8620 47, 53, 58, Cleveland Classic 2 mid-mallet, Bridgestone B330S, Sun Mountain four5.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Your goal isn't to hit the the ground at the ball, it's the hit the ground after the ball. And your goal isn't to hit any part of the ball you can actually see (unless you look at the very back of it), it's to hit some point of the ball beneath what you're looking at. There's nothing wrong with looking at the spot you actually want to hit. You can look at the ground and say, "I need to hit here", or you can look at the top of the ball and say. "I need to hit through the ball somewhere beneath where my eyes are focused, but not too close to the ground." It's similar to basketball: Many advise that you look at the back of the rim, not the front. The back of the rim is actually a viable target, the front still requires you shoot for something you're not looking at. I look at the ground. Maybe it's not a very "pure" technique, but it's very helpful and it's technically sound.

"Golf is an entire game built around making something that is naturally easy - putting a ball into a hole - as difficult as possible." - Scott Adams

Mid-priced ball reviews: Top Flight Gamer v2 | Bridgestone e5 ('10) | Titleist NXT Tour ('10) | Taylormade Burner TP LDP | Taylormade TP Black | Taylormade Burner Tour | Srixon Q-Star ('12)

Link to comment
Share on other sites


  • Administrator

This is an "aiming point" concept from The Golfing Machine.

If you look at a spot, say, 4" in front of the golf ball and from the top of the backswing try to deliver your hands on a straight line to that point, well, that's what an "aiming point" is.

Bobby Clampett is all about the aiming point, btw. :-)

Erik J. Barzeski —  I knock a ball. It goes in a gopher hole. 🏌🏼‍♂️
Director of Instruction Golf Evolution • Owner, The Sand Trap .com • AuthorLowest Score Wins
Golf Digest "Best Young Teachers in America" 2016-17 & "Best in State" 2017-20 • WNY Section PGA Teacher of the Year 2019 :edel: :true_linkswear:

Check Out: New Topics | TST Blog | Golf Terms | Instructional Content | Analyzr | LSW | Instructional Droplets

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Awards, Achievements, and Accolades

I do this when my ball contact is off. Works for me. Never read it anywhere though.

Originally Posted by Precis1on

A good drill to help flipping is to play the ball off your front foot, but set up like you would be normally (club in the center of your stance). Swing as you normally would making flush contact with the ball. The only way to consistently do this is to not flip.

After you can do that, move the ball back and continue to visualize hitting the ball off your front foot.

Brian Manzella's "Confessions of a Former Flipper" is a nice watch if you need more help with flipping.



In my bag:
Driver: Titleist 909D2 11.5°, UST Proforce V2 85X
Wood: Titleist 909F2 15.5°, UST Proforce V2 Tour 95X
Hybrid: Nickent 3DX DC Ironwood 20°, UST Proforce V2 Tour 105X
Irons: Titleist AP2 4-GW, TTDG X100, 1° weak (except the 4i), 1° flat 

Wedges: Titleist Vokey SM56.14, SM60.07, TTDG X100, 1° flat

Link to comment
Share on other sites


I started to use an imaginary strip after the ball pointing toward my target and it has helped me stop driving the club into the ground after hitting the ball (and breaking my hand in the process). It has worked great. And my hand is happy.

taylormade.gif R9 460 9.5* Stiff
cobra.gif Baffler 2h
 JPX 800 Pro 4-PW  *New! eBay gamble paid off!*
cleveland.gif CG14 52* /  MP T-10 56* /  callaway.gif Vintage Tour X Wedge 60*

taylormade.gif Spider Ghost /  Z Star Yellow

Link to comment
Share on other sites


I started doing this at the beginning of spring this year and my contact improved but I could not stop pulling the ball dead left (Im a righty). I was wondering if anyone else experienced the "pull shot" while doing this and if you fixed it, what did you do to fix it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Half of the summer I have had a problem with sweeping my irons.  I would hit some thin shots or hit push shots from not shifting my weight forward.  The biggest thing that helped me correct that (in my mind) was to keep my head over top the ball at impact.  When i did or thought that i was hitting much more down on the ball and taking bigger divots and making much better contact.  The difference between the first swing and my small change was literally a club difference in distance with my irons.

Link to comment
Share on other sites




Originally Posted by Wallstreet

Half of the summer I have had a problem with sweeping my irons.  I would hit some thin shots or hit push shots from not shifting my weight forward.  The biggest thing that helped me correct that (in my mind) was to keep my head over top the ball at impact.  When i did or thought that i was hitting much more down on the ball and taking bigger divots and making much better contact.  The difference between the first swing and my small change was literally a club difference in distance with my irons.


did your accuracy improve as well?


Link to comment
Share on other sites


Looking at the front of the ball is a great way to lower flight trajectory in the wind... It will promote a de-lofted club at impact...

 RBZ 9.5 Stiff

R11 14.0 Stiff

 Superfast 18.0 3 hybrid Stiff

 MP-52 4-PW - Stiff, full cord Golf Pride grips

 52,56,60

 Studio Select, Newport 2.5

 ProV1x #5-8

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Note: This thread is 3346 days old. We appreciate that you found this thread instead of starting a new one, but if you plan to post here please make sure it's still relevant. If not, please start a new topic. Thank you!

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • TST Partners

    TourStriker PlaneMate
    Golfer's Journal
    ShotScope
    The Stack System
    FlightScope Mevo
    Direct: Mevo, Mevo+, and Pro Package.

    Coupon Codes (save 10-15%): "IACAS" for Mevo/Stack, "IACASPLUS" for Mevo+/Pro Package, and "THESANDTRAP" for ShotScope.
  • Posts

    • Please forgive the sweaty shirt.  Just got off the treadmill and decided to do my Evolvr drill.  
    • I'd agree that 4w seems like the right play here. I'm not a course designer or anything but that hole looks like it could be so much more fun if everyone played from those front 2 tee boxes that are right outside your shot cone and they cut down most of the trees down that left side of the fairway. That would give risk reward to long hitters who want to try and push it up to that left fairway, allow more players to reach that second fairway, and still allowing it to be perfectly playable for someone who only hits driver like 150yds off the tee.   Yeah it looks like 4iron aimed at that inside edge of the right bunker is the play there, especially if you don't expect a 20mph tailwind again. If it is down wind again, 5iron would be just fine too, it'd still get you inside 150yds for your approach.  Keep in mind tee marker locations too, you measured that one from the back so if those tee markers are moved all the way towards the front of that box then 5 iron is probably best just to be sure that right bunker is never in play. 
    • Day 1: worked on my drill for my arms.
    • Hit my tee shot just into the penalty area and barely found it. Swung hard just in case I hit it. It was slightly downhill with a heavy tailwind. I don't actually hit my 9i 170 yards.
    • Right. The difference between being 120 out and 70 out for me (this is the important part) is negligible and not worth putting other risks into play off the tee.   Ok the argument against driver is that my shot cone is comically large. It puts every possible outcome into play. You can't see the green from the tee so there's a good chance I'd have to wait for it to clear which would slow down play. That's the third tee right in the middle of the firing range there. I really don't want to wait just to hit a terrible shot and I especially don't want to injure somebody. Yea I have no problem playing out of the rough short of the bunker if I'm just going to lay up short of the bunker, but I absolutely need to avoid flaring it right into the penalty area if I'm going to be laying up in the first place. As a general strategy I understand where you're coming from. But since we're specifically talking about me (this is a shot I'm going to have to hit on Saturday), I think the cost is fairly marginal. I hit the ball 8' closer on average from 50-100 than I do from 100-150 from the fairway and rough and the green success % difference is 4%. Bunker might as well be a penalty drop. Based on the data,  Here's my SG:A data compared to a 10: I honestly don't know how to use SG for decision making. That's why I was mostly looking at proximity to hole and green success rate for comparison. I mostly use SG as a way to track my progress. All good. Like I said, I appreciate the discussion. It makes me think. If I didn't want to see alternative/opposing viewpoints to my own I just wouldn't post anything. You should post it! In your own swing thread, of course. It's been a fun exercise.
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Welcome to TST! Signing up is free, and you'll see fewer ads and can talk with fellow golf enthusiasts! By using TST, you agree to our Terms of Use, our Privacy Policy, and our Guidelines.

The popup will be closed in 10 seconds...