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Hey here's a video a friend of mine took yesterday while on the course, i know the angles are not right so i am going to the range tomorrow and will record it again, making sure the angles are right using a tripod and all just bought a hi speed camera :)

Any comments/advice would be great, Thanks

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Hey, here's a video of my swing that a friend of mine took yesterday, i know the angles are not right so i am gonna go to the range tomorrow and record it again (just bought a hi speed camera), any comments/advice would be great,

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Daniel,

I have a question for you...where do you tend to miss your shots what type of shape do they have.  One thing I picked up looking at the video is how your lower half either stayed in a strong position or left its position.  The way I check is to see if you back leg moves away from the ball or towards the ball on the way back and then through.

What happens is if the back leg isn't sturdy enough, you lose balance which can cause all sorts of ball flight problems.  Let me know I would love to find out.

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Two things to start:

First, you're going to need to make some simple changes at set-up. This post speaks directly to you:

Originally Posted by mvmac

The reason I think this is so important is because it gets the player to view the ball out of the center of their eyes, rather than the old Adam Scott set-up where the player is straining their eyes to view the ball.  With the upper back rounded it's much easier to have the shoulder turn in a circle on an incline plane.  Also with the bottom not sticking out very much, the hips can turn and the rear hip can come out of flexion


Next, you will change your shoulder turn. It's turning too flat on the backswing. Check out this video for an explanation on how this works and why it's important.

For reference, here are two photos of you at set-up:

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And the top of your backswing:

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I think the camera might be a little bit too high here, which may be reducing the amount of "flatness" of your shoulders in this screen shot.

Chin down more, more rounded in your upper back at set-up. You don't want to be like Adam Scott in that example photo above.

Turn your shoulder more downward on the backswing so you can stay more centered.

Feel more Ricky Fowler and Tiger here:

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Originally Posted by JetFan1983

Next, you will change your shoulder turn.

* Would change your shoulder turn. Oops. These are suggestions I'm making, not orders My bad.

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Hi all, really appreciate your time and effort in giving me advice

Crossgolfpro - Well my bad shots tend to be either a push or a hook with all clubs but the driver, with the driver its either a push or a push fade/slice.

My good shot with all my clubs is a slight draw. As for my right leg, i feel like it is not moving back nor forward just staying still, yet what i feel may not be whats actually happening im gonna go practice tomorrow so will take some face on and dtl shots with a few different clubs.

Jetfan1983 - Wow seems like that info is against everything the local pro at my course told me, but i can see the logic if your meant to drop the right should and raise the let during the downswing then having the back more rounded makes sense. The set up i have is how my pro taught me to stand, butt back into the next country and straight/cupped back, chin up. I will try that setup tomorrow and take some videos. The one thing that confuses me with the left/toward the ball tilt, is the whole reverse pivot thing, i do know the difference but they feel so similar.How can i tell if i am doing one or the other?

Once again thanks for the advice, look forward to your replies.

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Originally Posted by DanielJTill

Hi all, really appreciate your time and effort in giving me advice

Crossgolfpro - Well my bad shots tend to be either a push or a hook with all clubs but the driver, with the driver its either a push or a push fade/slice.

My good shot with all my clubs is a slight draw. As for my right leg, i feel like it is not moving back nor forward just staying still, yet what i feel may not be whats actually happening im gonna go practice tomorrow so will take some face on and dtl shots with a few different clubs.

I like how your trail knee loses some of its address flex on your backswing. And right now, your lower body downswing sequence is quite good, with your right foot banking on its instep like that. Very nice.


Originally Posted by DanielJTill

Jetfan1983 - Wow seems like that info is against everything the local pro at my course told me, but i can see the logic if your meant to drop the right should and raise the let during the downswing then having the back more rounded makes sense. The set up i have is how my pro taught me to stand, butt back into the next country and straight/cupped back, chin up. I will try that setup tomorrow and take some videos. The one thing that confuses me with the left/toward the ball tilt, is the whole reverse pivot thing, i do know the difference but they feel so similar.How can i tell if i am doing one or the other?

Once again thanks for the advice, look forward to your replies.


I think it's easier to make solid contact when you can clearly and comfortably see the golf ball. Also, sticking your butt out like that can potentially lead to back problems down the road because it more or less encourages you to turn around your lower back. I think your flatter shoulder turn going back has a lot to do with the way you are set-up.

As for the reserve pivot: a reverse pivot is when the weight goes on your front foot on the backswing and then shift to your back foot on the downswing. I wouldn't worry about if I were you since you do a good job with your lower body on the downswing, from what I can tell from this DTL view (a face-on view would be helpful too). When you stay more centered on your backswing, the weight tends to feel like it stays on the front foot. But on the downswing, that weight doesn't shift backwards -- it shifts more forward, with the hips pushing forward along your stance line, the right foot banking inward (you do this well), and the head remaining centered.


To monitor this is easy with video. Plus, if you're shifting backwards (I doubt you will), your ball flight will probably transform into a slice of some kind. Golf is played on a tilted arc, and where that arc tends to bottom out is determined by where the golfer's weight and handle are at and around impact. If you leave your weight back (which is what happens in a reverse pivot) the arc shifts backwards. This video is a good explanation of this, but again, I wouldn't worry about that because I like the way your right foot banks in on its instep on your downswing.

Again, you don't have this problem, but I like this video because it gives a solid explanation of how the location of the arc can shift based on where the weight and handle of the club are.

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Hey jetfan, it seems like i got something to try out tomorrow then, just to be clear though, that was a shot of one of my swings that went well, i'm sure you'd understand that not all my shots go as planned and sometimes i do find myself off balance at the end of the swing, falling back or toward the ball line.

Another thing to clarify that the more rounded back posture would that not be classed as a c posture and therefore equally bad or is a c posture much more arched than the above images of Nichlaus, i'm guessing my posture would b "S" shaped.

Thanks again

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If it's a combination of a push and pull where there's no specific pattern, you may be moving away and towards the ball during your swing.  One thing that really helps is to use balance pads as done in pilates.  They force you to have perfect balance while you swing.

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Originally Posted by DanielJTill

Hey jetfan, it seems like i got something to try out tomorrow then, just to be clear though, that was a shot of one of my swings that went well, i'm sure you'd understand that not all my shots go as planned and sometimes i do find myself off balance at the end of the swing, falling back or toward the ball line.


I think the way you are currently setting up has put too much weight on your heels, which could be contributing to this loss of balance. Also, just keep in mind, the way you are shifting your weight in this video is quite good, so I would continue to try to engrain that if it's not already the norm for you -- lower body wise.

Another suggestion I can make here about your set-up to help with balance is flaring out both feet about 15-20 degrees at address -- or going "duck-footed" is it is called. Not only does this make it easier to turn your hips back and through, but it encourages more of this banking of the right foot on the downswing. This post here by Mike covers some of this.

Also, you can check out the Hip Slide Master Thread to do some further reading on this if you like. At the end of the original post, Erik talks about this movement of the right foot, and how a lot of amateurs make the mistake of shifting their weight towards the ball, which leads to problems.



Originally Posted by DanielJTill

Another thing to clarify that the more rounded back posture would that not be classed as a c posture and therefore equally bad or is a c posture much more arched than the above images of Nichlaus, i'm guessing my posture would b "S" shaped.

Thanks again

I'm not entirely following your terminology here. One thing I do know is that you don't want a completely flat back or any cupping in your lower back at set-up because it makes the proper sequencing on the backswing much more difficult to achieve. It can also lead to injuries over time because the lower back isn't designed to handle that kind of constant stress. Rounding out the upper back sets you up to have a more centered backswing while also placing the stress on the body created by the golf swing in the correct places so you can continue to enjoy the game long term.

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Hi guys here's those videos i promised tried to take some of the advice on board and from watching this back i believe i am doing what cross golf pro said about moving towards the ball or away in the swing, my butt moves toward the ball throughout the downswing this puts me off balance (quite clear to see down the line) , gotta work on the hogan power drill i think, lol, wipe the glass with that ass :). Was a perfect day for golf, nice and windy, any comments appreciated.

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Flare out both your feet about 30 degrees at address.

Originally Posted by JetFan1983

Another suggestion I can make here about your set-up to help with balance is flaring out both feet about 15-20 degrees at address -- or going "duck-footed" is it is called. Not only does this make it easier to turn your hips back and through, but it encourages more of this banking of the right foot on the downswing. This post here by Mike covers some of this.



Originally Posted by james_hirshfield

It changes the alignment of the knee joint.

With a 'square" right foot - the golfer is most prone to the knee flexing inward too many degrees in the downswing, potentially changing the location of the upper axis disrupting the geometry / the degrees the hips and shoulders open.

But that's just my opinion..


You: Both feet not flared out at all.

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A pro. Notice the difference in the angle of the feet.

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You lose balance when your left foot spins out and faces your target at the finish. Flaring it out will help there, as well as helping other sequencing issues. Flare out both your feet

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Ye that one must have slipped my mind, was very cold, most of my shots were not bad though today, almost all of those s wedge shots hit the green (about 110 yards), the only bad shots i hit were fat, do you think the right hip moving toward the ball while not clearing the left hip is one of my main reasons for loss of balance?

Well i have only been playing for just over 6 months now, and its coming together step at a time, so glad i bought a video camera, has helped a lot.

I started off averageing low 90's my first 5 or so rounds, but after about a month i was on the verge of breaking 80, then had some lessons and it went down hill from there, my record bad round was 103, with an average again of low 90's. My golfing buddies recon its the bad weather (being winter), but i would say i just had too many thoughts in my head when stepping up to take a shot. I now only play with my swing during practice, and just swing when im playing a round. Anyways on friday i shot 84 but most of the dropped shots were short game chips n putts, which im thinking will take longer to zone in. Cant wait for spring, well im playing tomorrow aswell so will update with how my swing went with flared feet.

Sorry for rambling, lol

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I see a need for a much compact swing. What I was taught was to pretend there are two tees under each underarm. It really makes you have a nice compact swing. Also your hip turn is very strong, I would suggest a lot more rotation to really generate power and stability for the shot.

Also I see a slight sway instead of swing over your left hip. If you put a range ball basket inbetween your knees and practice a full turn it helps with creating a stable lower body.

When you approach the ball make sure your shoulders are square and that you keep that "plane" square and level throughout the swing. You dipped down with probably generated a fade on it. The square shoulder will help keep a good clubface at impact, but dipping you open up the clubface at impact.

I can't fully tell on your takeaway, but make sure that your takeaway is straight back until you pass your hip and begin to rotate and turn for your backswing. I pretend there is a table right there to my hip. After that I begin to take the driver back at my "angle", too soon will create a very choppy shot and result in an errant shot. Too late and it'll be like trying to hit your other knee. Just my take on it.

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thats a great swing for only a few months playing.  your head is lifting on the backswing, and your struggling to keep your eyes looking at the ball.  this is because your shoulders arent turning steeply enough.  if you turn your shoulders on a steeper angle, the left shoulder wont push into your chin on the way back.

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