Introducing Five Simple Keys®

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Rebecca Wilson

Nothing really new here.

Nice try Patrick.

Good catch sean_miller. You pegged "Rebecca" as another version of Patrick pretty quickly. Good job.

[TourSpoon]

Who said they are trying to reinvent teaching? These keys are not something I've seen a lot in teaching before. Especially the steady head and weight forward, which are the two most important components in ballstriking imo.

[quote name="sean_miller" url="/t/55426/introducing-five-simple-keys/90#post_692181"]

You've been reading the wrong books.

[/quote][quote name="Zeph" url="/t/55426/introducing-five-simple-keys/90#post_692184"]Haven't read a whole lot of books. [/quote] Haha, just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it hasn't been around forever. Gary Player comes to mind as someone who has preached the weight forward concept during impact since he came on the scene.

[Zeph]

I haven't seen a whole lot of instructional material from Player, if he ever gave out any. It's mostly based on what I've come across on the internet, DVDs and partly from books. I won't disagree that I've read the wrong books, I may well have, but my experience still stands. If I've come across this information, anyone else can too. Never said these components haven't been around for a long time, just that I haven't seen them.

[iacas]

Remember too, Zeph, that "weight forward" is at impact, and we have the numbers and some force plate data to back that up. Obviously the backswing will affect your ability to get enough pressure forward by impact, though.

But yeah, "weight forward" is certainly something talked about throughout history in various instructional books. It's often not quite given a TON of space - many treat it like a natural reaction after swaying backwards on the backswing - but it's in most of the books at least briefly.

Still haven't seen anything like the 5SK all together, though, as a comprehensive and complete set of commonalities. So I think it's still something "new" in that sense, and the reaction we've gotten has been great.

FWIW, plans are on track for our Premier Instructor Accreditation to take place at Reunion in Orlando at the end of April.

[TourSpoon]

Zeph, I hear you, the haha was for the response to Sean. :-D I have to agree that the 5 Simple Keys packaging is unique. I like that the "Simple" is included because too many times instruction and methods are predicated on complex processes to differentiate thought processes. I think it will be seen as inclusive versus exclusive and appeal to a wide audience.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by TourSpoon

Zeph, I hear you, the haha was for the response to Sean.

I have to agree that the 5 Simple Keys packaging is unique. I like that the "Simple" is included because too many times instruction and methods are predicated on complex processes to differentiate thought processes. I think it will be seen as inclusive versus exclusive and appeal to a wide audience.

And, to be clear, the golf swing is anything but "simple."

What's "simple" about this is that it helps the instructor prioritize and it helps the student focus on what they're doing. They shouldn't leave a lesson with a 5SK guy and wonder "wait, why was I doing this again?" They'll know that they're working on sliding their hips forward more to help with Key #2, for example (and have the pictures and/or video, along with drills, etc. to help them keep working on it).

But yep, simple, with the complexity being left up to qualified accredited instructors. And for those who will buy the DVD and work on things for themselves, it'll help them prioritize, too.

[boogielicious]

Wait, Patrick is now Rebecca?  I'm so confused.

I can't wait for the DVD!!  It's like waiting for Christmas to come when I was five years old!!

[iacas]

Originally Posted by boogielicious

Wait, Patrick is now Rebecca?  I'm so confused.

I can't wait for the DVD!!  It's like waiting for Christmas to come when I was five years old!!

Yup.

Dave's on his way to San Diego to do some final DVD edits and possibly some quick re-shoots, BTW. No idea what the super-accurate timetable is beyond that, but that's the update. Instructor Manual Beta Release 1 is a week away.

[boogielicious]

Thanks for the update.

[Clint75]

Once this DVD is out, would i be able to get a copy here in South Africa?

Thanks

Clint

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Clint75

Once this DVD is out, would i be able to get a copy here in South Africa?

We'll find a way. Stretch (Andrew) may have to set up an import/export business, but he might have the free time to do just that. ;-)

[iacas]

Dave Wedzik is going to be interviewed (a 22-minute segment I believe) on espn760.com sometime between 10am and noon today on the show "The Golf Exchange" with Russ Evans and Craig Dolch. He'll be talking about 5 Simple Keys®. Tune in free on the website or the various ESPN radio apps.

[Zeph]

Is there a recording somewhere?

[JLANM]

Will there be an instructor in Albuquerque or nearby? I have only really played 1 round with a non-hacker friend..and boy was I emberassed. I shot an 80 tho! on the front 9..lol

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Zeph

Is there a recording somewhere?

Yeah, I think we have one. We'll post it eventually.

[iacas]

[Patrick57]

Key 1 is concerned with 'head movement' and claims on average tour pros etc etc 1" of movement back swing and less down swing. Not according to these pictures...

TIGER WOODS

LUKE DONALD

RORY MCILROY

These three are going to have to work on that inch from Key 1. Is it my eyes or are the head movements even greater on the down swing, or were you just talking about lateral head movement. Although that's also greater than the back swing movement.

Here's another one...

LEE WESTWOOD

You don't even need to draw lines for Westwood. Give Lee a call, get him onto Key 1.

And now my personal favourite...

BUBBA WATSON

But here's a good example of Key 1...

PATRICK57

OK I move more than an inch on the back swing but through impact perfect. Those golfers could learn perfect Key 1 conditions from me. Could they not? I'm doing it right and they're doing it wrong, right?

Key 2 has always baffled me. I can't accept that 80-95% of pressure - not weight or fear factor - is on the left foot at impact. Another sophisticated machine thing probably. How can this be when the upper/main mass of the body is moving away from the target at impact. I think these two pros defy this logic considerably.

RICKY FOWLER

BUBBA WATSON

Again they should copy my conditions above if they want to get their weight more left at impact. This was my swing about ten years ago when I thought weight forward was correct.

Can you please clarify why these pros seem to be ignoring Keys 1 & 2 and then I may be able to continue to understand or accept Key 3?

[iacas]

Hi Crazy Train,

This is the one post you get in this thread, because it's going to remain a troll-free zone. I hope you've used it well. Let's see...

Originally Posted by Patrick57

Key 1 is concerned with 'head movement' and claims on average tour pros etc etc 1" of movement back swing and less down swing. Not according to these pictures...

Do you understand the definition of the word "average"? Also, the 1" number is with a 5-iron. There's certainly more allowance for latitude with the driver. Ball's sitting in the air, for one.

In order, you've got:

- Tiger not moving his head very much at all (and those pictures are from when he was not a very good driver of the golf ball). What's he been working on for two years? Keeping his head steadier. Stevie was holding a shaft against the side of his head at PGA years ago.

- Luke Donald not moving his head very much at all.

- Rory not moving his head very much at all.

- Lee Westwood not moving his head very much at all. I know you didn't draw lines but look at the tree in the background.

The follow-through is relatively unimportant. "Steady head" is A1 to A7. And laterally matters a whole lot more than vertically. Says so right in the manual I've written. :)

Steady != Completely unmoving.

Your Bubba picture is atrocious. Do you honestly think Bubba plays the ball with a driver off his back foot?

The data is what it is, Patrick. And if Bubba had consistency problems hitting his driver (how'd he do the last round at Doral?), he might need to do more to steady his head. Or something else may be at play. It's simply a system which allows the instructor and the student to prioritize. If the head's moving but it's not the top priority because it's not the largest contributing factor to the student's lack of success at the moment, then they look at something else.

Crazy Train indeed. You could have at least thrown up pictures of Seve, who moved his head all over the place (and who, consequently, was a pretty terrible driver).

BTW, the first Bubba FO video I could find was this one:

Originally Posted by Patrick57

Key 2 has always baffled me. I can't accept that 80-95% of pressure - not weight or fear factor - is on the left foot at impact. Another sophisticated machine thing probably. How can this be when the upper/main mass of the body is moving away from the target at impact. I think these two pros defy this logic considerably.

Yeah, a force plate. Real sophisticated. Their "main mass" is not moving away from the target at impact. Pressure != weight in a dynamic system. How much of Bubba's weight OR pressure are on his back foot in the pictures I've posted? Rhetorical question, again, as the answer is obvious, and you've used up your post in this thread and on this topic.