New Seasons of The Haney Project and Feherty Discussion Thread

[deronsizemore]

Ugh... watched a little bit of another episode of the Haney Project last night. Haney had Adam Levin in some 3D simulator and was trying to get him to take the club outside on the backswing and then loop it down on the downswing from the inside and roll his arms through impact to square the face. It just makes me want to scream at the TV.

[Bullitt5339]

I watched Feherty with Butch Harmon, and it was a good show.  I like the work that both of them are doing with disabled Soldiers, and it kind of shows how much both of them actually care.  I also never really realized the huge legacy of the Harmon family on golf.

[Motley01]

I also watched the interview with Butch Harmon. When he asked him about Tiger. If Tiger came to him and asked for advice. It was interesting. He said Tiger was playing "Golf Swing" instead of playing golf. And that he just needs to get away from everybody, and hit the range and work it out by himself, to get his confidence back.

[Quinn07]

Originally Posted by Bullitt5339

I watched Feherty with Butch Harmon, and it was a good show.  I like the work that both of them are doing with disabled Soldiers, and it kind of shows how much both of them actually care.  I also never really realized the huge legacy of the Harmon family on golf.

I would agree.  I enjoyed the show and the Harmon legacy was very interesting.  I didn't realize that Claude Harmon was a master champ.  I am always intrigued at how embarrassed, ashamed, whatever it is Feherty looks when his alcoholism is brought up in interviews.  When Harmon brought up that his brother spoke to Feherty when he was having issues, you could see Davids energy change. I really like his show, could do without some of his cameos, and I find his interviews genuine and often provide information that I wasn't aware of.

[Tomboys]

I spit out my coffee when Butch talked about how his mother got mad at his dad one day and yelled, "Claude, you only won one Master's and it was a long time ago!"  That was hilarious.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by deronsizemore

Ugh... watched a little bit of another episode of the Haney Project last night. Haney had Adam Levin in some 3D simulator and was trying to get him to take the club outside on the backswing and then loop it down on the downswing from the inside and roll his arms through impact to square the face. It just makes me want to scream at the TV.

If misinterpreted correctly, that might result in a decent swing.

[newtogolf]

I lost a lot of respect for Haney when he wrote the book about Tiger, but I do enjoy his shows.  I am not experienced enough to critique the instruction he gives to his students, but they seem to think it's helped them improve.  I can relate to Adam Levine since I've only been playing two years and I'd have welcomed the opportunity to have that level of instruction when I first started out.

[Bullitt5339]

Originally Posted by Tomboys

I spit out my coffee when Butch talked about how his mother got mad at his dad one day and yelled, "Claude, you only won one Master's and it was a long time ago!"  That was hilarious.

Yeah, that was funny, I believe that's because every time one of the boys tried to question his golf teachings, he would respond:  "How many green jackets do you have?"

[x129]

On the internet, any teacher that doesn't teach the exact same way that you are trying to swing the club is a total idiot. If you do a passive release, then all the guys recommending the roll release are idiots.  Now I happen to favor a swing that differs from the Haney Model (as far I can tell what his model is) but I have no doubt you can play awesome golf the way Haney teaches.

Originally Posted by sean_miller

If misinterpreted correctly, that might result in a decent swing.

[Elvisliveson]

Originally Posted by x129

On the internet, any teacher that doesn't teach the exact same way that you are trying to swing the club is a total idiot. If you do a passive release, then all the guys recommending the roll release are idiots.  Now I happen to favor a swing that differs from the Haney Model (as far I can tell what his model is) but I have no doubt you can play awesome golf the way Haney teaches.

I agree wholeheartedly. There are plenty of pros, Craig Stadler immediately comes to mind, who execute the swing in the manner Haney was suggesting to Adam Levine. The bottom line is there are so many acceptable ways to swing a golf club, you just have to find the one that works best for you.

[deronsizemore]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

If misinterpreted correctly, that might result in a decent swing.

I guess it's possible... Can't see how it would lead to any kind of consistency? Too much roll and you're hooking it and not enough roll and you're in the right trees.

[k-troop]

Quote from Butch Harmon on Feherty:

Greg Norman was the best driver of the golf ball I've ever seen with a wooden driver.  He was very long, and accurate.  Obviously he was better with a metalwood, but that made everyone else better as well, because it's easier.

They weren't talking about the modern equipment debate, but that's one of the most succinct summations of the argument that I've heard in a long time.

[stogiesnbogies]

I dont know if he helped Rush...but Rush sure didnt help him. There was no good reason to bring in such a divisive and polarizing political figure as the Project ...gotta wonder if the Golf Channel now has any regrets seeing the kind of boorish behaviour Rush has displayed of late towards Sandra Fluke, etc..

But it's not like he had a squeeky clean record before this.....shame on the golf Channel.

TGC, BTW also kissed Donald "Birther-Blowhard" Trumps deriere...with his own show -no less!

Disgraceful and unnecessary -AND bad for business....

[stogiesnbogies]

IMO Butch Harmon is the best Golf Instructor -period.

Yet he doesnt have his own show etc. like the lesser instructors do.

[stogiesnbogies]

"Ugh... watched a little bit of another episode of the Haney Project last night. Haney had Adam Levin in some 3D simulator and was trying to get him to take the club outside on the backswing and then loop it down on the downswing from the inside and roll his arms through impact to square the face. It just makes me want to scream at the TV."

I'd say that's a swing with a lot of moving parts, eh?  LOL Especially since he's trying to teach non PGA quality players-including a total newbie no less!!! How about too many swingthoughts?  Or as Yogi said "You cant think and hit at the same time."

Harmon put it best to Feherty when he said the art of teaching is to say as little as possible...keep it simple....methinks Haney is kind of full of himself....

[x129]

I am sure that Phil Mickelson will be glad to hear that you think his golf swing is possible. The roll release isn't some weird thing that Haney made up. It has been taught forever. Right now it isn't in favor on the tour but that doesn't mean it isn't effective.  The mysmartgolf guy has a nice video describing both the roll and stable release.

Originally Posted by deronsizemore

I guess it's possible... Can't see how it would lead to any kind of consistency? Too much roll and you're hooking it and not enough roll and you're in the right trees.

[deronsizemore]

Originally Posted by x129

I am sure that Phil Mickelson will be glad to hear that you think his golf swing is possible. The roll release isn't some weird thing that Haney made up. It has been taught forever. Right now it isn't in favor on the tour but that doesn't mean it isn't effective.  The mysmartgolf guy has a nice video describing both the roll and stable release.

There's a BIG difference between a tour pro who spends all day every day hitting balls and perfecting the timing of their swing and a guy who probably can't break 100 and tops/chunks like 70% of their shots.

I'm not saying you can't play good golf doing it, I'm just saying it's not the most consistent way to do it (especially with that looptie-loop Haney has everyone do). I mean, Phil isn't exactly the model of consistency either. When his timing is off, he'll hit it all over the place.

I don't know much about the "mysmartgolf guy" but I did watch his ball flight video and he doesn't understand why the ball curves, so I doubt I want to listen to much else he has to say.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by deronsizemore

There's a BIG difference between a tour pro who spends all day every day hitting balls and perfecting the timing of their swing and a guy who probably can't break 100 and tops/chunks like 70% of their shots.

I'm not saying you can't play good golf doing it, I'm just saying it's not the most consistent way to do it (especially with that looptie-loop Haney has everyone do). I mean, Phil isn't exactly the model of consistency either. When his timing is off, he'll hit it all over the place.

I don't know much about the "mysmartgolf guy" but I did watch his ball flight video and he doesn't understand why the ball curves, so I doubt I want to listen to much else he has to say.

That's just about everything I'd have wanted to say. Thanks for saving me the trouble. :)