Hypocrites on the golf course

[luu5]

Originally Posted by caniac6

If I had a one hole head start,with an open course ahead of me, the guy behind me would never see me.

Unless you were watching basketball streams at the same time

Back to topic. If they were playing different holes at the same pace, then the OP should not have to wait for the other guy to join him. This is my opinion. On the other hand even though he wanted to play alone, it would not have mattered a lot to have a guy to join. In real life you do not have to talk/socialise with him, most of the time the ways are separated anyway. Unless you let your "balls touch" it will at most stay on polite "thx, nice, not bad" blah blah level.

[Gregoryhouse]

Even when I think Saevel25 was rude when he refused to play with the "mad bomber", I don't think it was worth a murder attempt. A golf ball can kill you.

Of course I wouldn't reject his invitation to play but I think that if it happened to me, this guy would have needed surgery to pull his golf bag and clubs out of his butt...

Jokes apart, here in Argentina, where people is normally rude, people who play golf (not all qualify as golfers) are not an exception...... Awful.......

[bcp]

The OP is wrong in stating that he has a right to play as a single. A single has no rights IMO, and the course should manage the pairing of players. I didn't read the entire post, but why did the OP not want to be paired? Also, is it permissible to post scores when playing by yourself? I think not, as I thought all rounds had to be 'attested'.

[luu5]

Originally Posted by bcp

The OP is wrong in stating that he has a right to play as a single. A single has no rights IMO, and the course should manage the pairing of players.

I didn't read the entire post, but why did the OP not want to be paired? Also, is it permissible to post scores when playing by yourself? I think not, as I thought all rounds had to be 'attested'.

Maybe you should have read at least the starter with thought. At the moment the assumption is that they were not on the same tee at the same time. What do you mean that single has no rights? Same rights as groups. Turning singles and groups on nine/ten should have rights, but this was not the case.

And you should also realise that OP is playing under USGA HCP rules, so no marker needed.

[turtleback]

Originally Posted by bcp

The OP is wrong in stating that he has a right to play as a single. A single has no rights IMO, and the course should manage the pairing of players.

I didn't read the entire post, but why did the OP not want to be paired? Also, is it permissible to post scores when playing by yourself? I think not, as I thought all rounds had to be 'attested'.

The USGA handicap manual and Decisions are CRYSTAL CLEAR about this.  No attestation is required.  If a player is playing by themselves and follows the rules of golf, the round not only CAN be posted it MUST be posted.

5-1a/2. Score Made When Playing Alone

Q: If a player plays alone, should the score be returned for handicap purposes?

A: Yes, provided the round is played in accordance with the Rules of Golf.

[bcp]

Thanks for the clarification.

[Anjew]

I believe that the OP was not wrong to play as a single. He was told by the course to go to the 10th hole, and start there, seeing as how it was really open. The course made the decision, he obeyed the decision. If I had the opportunity to start earlier by starting at 10, ahead of a bunch of groups, I would take that opportunity, although it would probably get messy at 1 when you got there.

And I agree with another poster about being hit up on. Once is an accident, and you talk to the people behind you. If it continues to happen, hit the ball into the river.

[sacm3bill]

Originally Posted by Anjew

I believe that the OP was not wrong to play as a single. He was told by the course to go to the 10th hole, and start there, seeing as how it was really open. The course made the decision, he obeyed the decision. If I had the opportunity to start earlier by starting at 10, ahead of a bunch of groups, I would take that opportunity, although it would probably get messy at 1 when you got there.

Just to be clear, the question isn't "Was it wrong to *start* play as a single." That was obviously ok since that's how the course let him out.  Sometimes the situation changes though, to the point where you can't necessarily refuse requests for others to join with you. Consider the case where you start out as a single, catch up to a foursome, then behind you a single, twosome, or threesome catches up to you. Since you're waiting on the group in front anyway, the reasonable action would be to let the group behind you join up, assuming they request to do so in order to not have to wait for you (a single stuck between two groups, which starters generally try to avoid), and finish a little earlier.  At that point, the fact that you started out as a single is irrelevant to the fact that you're unnecessarily making the day longer for other people (i.e., the group behind you, and every group behind them.)

Clearly the OP's case may be different from the scenario I just described, but I'm just using it as an example to show that just because the course let you start out as a single, doesn't mean you're allowed to stay a single no matter what.

[Texas solo]

I had an experience like this a few years back. I was playing in a foursome and well within the normal pace of play. There was a twosome behind us that hit into us. We looked back at them and raised our arms as if to say "what's up with that?". No, there were not any obscene jestures. After the second time this happened, my group waited at the next tee for them, offering to have them play through. They said no, they were sorry for hitting into us and would slow down.  Two holes later it happened again. This time the dude's ball was within 20 paces of me. I walked over to it, picked it up and tossed it into the water. They got the hint.

Was I wrong?

[Gregoryhouse]

Originally Posted by Texas solo

I had an experience like this a few years back. I was playing in a foursome and well within the normal pace of play. There was a twosome behind us that hit into us. We looked back at them and raised our arms as if to say "what's up with that?". No, there were not any obscene jestures. After the second time this happened, my group waited at the next tee for them, offering to have them play through. They said no, they were sorry for hitting into us and would slow down.  Two holes later it happened again. This time the dude's ball was within 20 paces of me. I walked over to it, picked it up and tossed it into the water. They got the hint.

Was I wrong?

You tossed the ball or the guy?????

I don't know the answer but maybe you should let the club's authorities handle this kind of issues.....

[colin007]

Originally Posted by Texas solo

This time the dude's ball was within 20 paces of me. I walked over to it, picked it up and tossed it into the water. They got the hint.

Was I wrong?

20 paces?  unless you are a leprechaun, thats about 60 feet.  thats not that close.  you can live with that.  5 paces?  then you should be mad.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by colin007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas solo

This time the dude's ball was within 20 paces of me. I walked over to it, picked it up and tossed it into the water. They got the hint.

Was I wrong?

20 paces?  unless you are a leprechaun, thats about 60 feet.  thats not that close.  you can live with that.  5 paces?  then you should be mad.

Not sure if you're serious. The guy hit while the poster was still in the landing area. Whether the ball was 20 yards left, right, behind, or beyond the poster is irrelevant. It was rude and most people would (I assume - you know what they say about that) understand a playing partner having enough of it and tossing that ball into the drink.

[topspin4hand]

Quote:

I have to say that a person who insists on playing on his own, rejects reasonable requests from others and holds up the field and then strolls around looking at his phone wouldn't be rated too highly in my neck of the woods.

If you want to play on your own, go to the practice tee, unless there's none else around.

And if someone asks you to play with them politely accept the invitation.

Interesting that you claim a "score" whilst playing as a single, too.

Sorry offtopic:

I'm always trying to learn my rules of golf and this comment (in bold) struck me as odd.  Were you saying that we can't post scores as a single?

[sacm3bill]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

Quote:

Originally Posted by colin007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Texas solo

This time the dude's ball was within 20 paces of me. I walked over to it, picked it up and tossed it into the water. They got the hint.

Was I wrong?

20 paces?  unless you are a leprechaun, thats about 60 feet.  thats not that close.  you can live with that.  5 paces?  then you should be mad.

Not sure if you're serious. The guy hit while the poster was still in the landing area. Whether the ball was 20 yards left, right, behind, or beyond the poster is irrelevant. It was rude and most people would (I assume - you know what they say about that) understand a playing partner having enough of it and tossing that ball into the drink.

I agree that left, right or beyond is irrelevant since in those 3 cases the ball had a chance of hitting the person. *Behind* is more of a gray area though. I agree 20 paces (i.e., about 20 yards) is pretty close, but in this story it's not clear if the ball carried there, or rolled there. If it first hit 50 yards behind and rolled up to 20 yards behind, that's not a big deal IMO. Also, it may have been the case that the person who hit it figured there was plenty of room even with a career shot, then hit a career shot. I.e., worst case scenario happened and he was still 20 yards short.

All that said, given the context of the story and the fact that this was the third time they'd been hit up on, I agree the hitter definitely should've left a little more margin for error.

(Btw, I just walked off 20 paces in the hallway here at work - it looks even farther than I thought it would...)

[elementz]

Originally Posted by topspin4hand

Quote:

Sorry offtopic:

I'm always trying to learn my rules of golf and this comment (in bold) struck me as odd.  Were you saying that we can't post scores as a single?

Shorty was wrong....you can post your score as a single as long as you adhere to the rules and do not consider it a practice round.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by elementz

Quote:

Originally Posted by topspin4hand

Quote:

Sorry offtopic:

I'm always trying to learn my rules of golf and this comment (in bold) struck me as odd.  Were you saying that we can't post scores as a single?

Shorty was wrong....you can post your score as a single as long as you adhere to the rules and do not consider it a practice round.

Perhaps this was just Shorty's way of questioning all North American indexes by specifically singling out the OP as a suspected vanity capper? I mean, I call myself a 7, but for league play we only use competition rounds and for that I'm a 10 capper. Possibly many people would have an even wider range?!?

[Fourputt]

Originally Posted by Anjew

I believe that the OP was not wrong to play as a single. He was told by the course to go to the 10th hole, and start there, seeing as how it was really open. The course made the decision, he obeyed the decision. If I had the opportunity to start earlier by starting at 10, ahead of a bunch of groups, I would take that opportunity, although it would probably get messy at 1 when you got there.

Any course I'm familiar with, if you start on the back 9 you are playing 9 holes, period.  If you want to test your luck and pay for 18, that's your choice, but when I'm in the starter booth, I'll tell you right up front that I make no promises.  In mid season, even on weekdays there is little chance of getting back on the front 9 unless yo join another group.  Some days I even have trouble finding a short group to match you up with.  We send players off on the back 9 for the first hour and a half in the morning (these are the only back 9 times which can be reserved ahead of time), then typically no more unless I have a shorthanded group making the turn, or it gets late in the day and I have some gaps for 18 hole players in the afternoon reservations.  All of those opportunities are just random chances, and are only available to walk-ons on my waiting list.  This policy is pretty typical for the area.

[sacm3bill]

Originally Posted by elementz

Quote:

Originally Posted by topspin4hand

Sorry offtopic:

I'm always trying to learn my rules of golf and this comment (in bold) struck me as odd.  Were you saying that we can't post scores as a single?

Shorty was wrong....you can post your score as a single as long as you adhere to the rules and do not consider it a practice round.

It also depends on what handicapping system you're playing under. In Great Britain and Ireland the CONGU system is used, in which you actually do need all scores attested by a playing partner. Not so when playing under the USGA system in the United Sates, or the RCGA in Canada.

(Although I should add, I believe Shorty's comment didn't reflect confusion about which handicap system was being used by the OP, but rather disdain for the non-CONGU systems.)