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Originally Posted by Shorty

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Originally Posted by luu5

Luckily Bubba did not know that shaping the ball is overrated.

Noone is talking about hitting massive deliberate cuts and slices when they talk about "shaping" the ball.



Some guys are. There's a guy at my club who hits hooks and slices with his wedges. Cam something or other. He has a beautiful swing and hits the ball a mile. He misses fairways on easy holes, but I've also seen him stick it close from two fairways over. He truly enjoys making exciting shots and I applaud him for it. At my age I don't want to trudge 2 fairways over so I play more conservatively (i.e. more boring). I remember when I used to play like Cam and I miss being that fearless. I don't miss having to pack around 15 balls "just in case" but his shot making is really fun to watch.

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Originally Posted by I-league

Sure feel is important. But I think "feel" is mostly a function if the quality of the contact you make with the ball and the ground.

Ping and Taylor Made offer 9-PW-SW sets but yeah some manufacturers force you to buy separate SW.


First, I don't understand suggesting that people buy wedges that match their iron sets. But that's for another topic because...

Second, whether you should buy your own wedges is not really the topic here, mmmmkay?

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Originally Posted by goodatgolf

The worst hacker with the biggest bananaballs will learn a ton if he just tries to hook his balls for half an hour.


The "worst hacker" has trouble making solid contact on consecutive swings, let alone finding the same shot shape on consecutive swings.

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I think i am going to try Bubba Golf for a while..

I'm afraid that only works if your name is Bubba Watson and you got a green jacket. :-P He is ridiculously talented with a golf club in his hands. I'd rather have Hanson's straight shots, with the option to shape it a little if you want to.

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I'd rather have Hanson's straight shots, with the option to shape it a little if you want to.

You have to lay up on par-threes though. That could get annoying. :-D

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Originally Posted by jamo

You have to lay up on par-threes though. That could get annoying.



Gawd that shot was crazy.  Did he say what happened?  It had to be a shank, except the ball flight looked basically normal (except for being 40 yards right and short).

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Originally Posted by k-troop

Gawd that shot was crazy.  Did he say what happened?  It had to be a shank, except the ball flight looked basically normal (except for being 40 yards right and short).



This sums it up, no other questions needed...

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No doubt that was a shank. It was way short and went dead right. I don't see how you hit that shot without shanking it. You could of course hit the ball really far out on the toe, but I find that option less likely.
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No doubt that was a shank. It was way short and went dead right. I don't see how you hit that shot without shanking it. You could of course hit the ball really far out on the toe, but I find that option less likely.

As I said on the chat yesterday, the announcers like to throw around the word "shank" a little too liberally (for instance, Tiger hit one way right on 16 on Saturday short of the bunker on the right, but that was just either a push or a slice, there wasn't any indication he actually hit it off the hosel), but Hanson's shot looked like it could legitimately have gone off the hosel.

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I figured this thread would be busy today after yesterdays shot haha.

I still stand by learning how to be consistent and low 80's high 70's before I begin to shape my shots. Until I become more consistent with my regular swing, shaping shots isn't something I'll worry about, yet...

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Originally Posted by Goodfella

I figured this thread would be busy today after yesterdays shot haha.

I still stand by learning how to be consistent and low 80's high 70's before I begin to shape my shots. Until I become more consistent with my regular swing, shaping shots isn't something I'll worry about, yet...



My current motto is that if I can't get the same "stock" shot shape consistently with my current swing, then trying to "shape" a shot is pointless.  I'm getting pretty close to it.  My irons are becoming more and more consistent over the past 2 weeks of practice, and my stock shot appears to be a high and very slight draw.  I have no idea how to hit a cut without potentially hitting it off the hosel or completely duffing it, and I don't want to start practicing it and mess up my consistency and feel for my stock shot.  It's simply not worth it.  During my qualifying round a couple days ago, I only needed to play a cut shot once.  It would have been nice to have 2-3 other times, but it was only absolutely necessary once.  Since I wasn't comfortable playing it, I instead punched out from around the tree and back into the fairway for a wedge into the green.

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Personally if there is no danger in hitting the ball straight then there is no need to shape the ball.  But there are shots that can sometimes require it.  The only time I try and draw/hook or fade/slice a ball is when I am trying to go around something.  If the green is straight ahead, or the fairway is straight ahead....I hit a straight shot.

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I kinda agree with the idea that shot that are shaped with either large or small curves looks super cool and nice to the eye. Also easier to visualize and I think to perform. I don't think that you really NEED 9 different shot shapes, but at least a fade, draw, and varying degrees of those.
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Bubba golf will lead to higher scores -especially for amateurs who do not have anything resembling a repeatable swing....hell Bubba Golf doesnt often even work for Bubba as he has only a handful of wins on tour and has lost some heartbreakers -to more controlled and steady playing styles such as the brilliant shortgame of world number one -Luke Donald....what Luke lacks in flash he more than makes up in cash... the first number one on BOTH US and Euro money list!!!  Now THAT"S a golf game you can literally take to the bank!

The key -especially for we amateurs- is to play the game within ourselves...and not attempt to copy any PGA Tour Pros game/ style ...only parts of their games that we might learn something from....i.e.  Donalds shortgame is a wonderful place to start...I wouldnt recommend Bubba's or Phil's "take no prisoner" approach to any mere mortal golfer...it's a recipe for disaster...but like a slo-mo train wreck , you just cant take your eyes off of it....and Phil is a houdini like no other -but he too often runs out of escapes ..when the last rabbit has been pulled out of his hat....when watching this kind of "bomb and gouge" style the screen should have a disclaimer saying "professional golfer -do NOT attempt!"   LOL

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Bubba is more likely to play a good approach from the trees than the fairway. He hits some amazing shots, but I can't watch him play a whole round. And he chokes on easy shots at times.

So really, the same could be said of a lot of amateurs.

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Originally Posted by stogiesnbogies

Bubba golf will lead to higher scores -especially for amateurs who do not have anything resembling a repeatable swing....hell Bubba Golf doesnt often even work for Bubba as he has only a handful of wins on tour and has lost some heartbreakers -to more controlled and steady playing styles such as the brilliant shortgame of world number one -Luke Donald....what Luke lacks in flash he more than makes up in cash... the first number one on BOTH US and Euro money list!!!  Now THAT"S a golf game you can literally take to the bank!


Actually Tiger was the leading money winner on both tours in more than one year but did not get the Order of Merit because he was not a member of the European Tour.  Luke had a nice accomplishment but in terms of pure money winning on two tours what he did was not unprecedented at all.  Tiger not only accomplished it he did in playing in far fewer events than Luke did.

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I shape shots on the range to targets, but only do it on the course if I have to.

ie. a tree in front.

I am not consistent enough to know how much I am going to draw or fade it any given swing

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