Greens with Bunkers in the Middle are Ridiculous

[snofrog]

imho the course is what it is , and it is up to the golfer to navigate what is there . I have played on turtle shell greens . I have played from the middle of the fairway on some par fours with no second shot other than a hail mary  because I was to long or short. I have played from behind trees in the middle of the fairway . I have had my ball land less than a foot away from the pin and back off the green . in every one of these situations, I was at fault . You must match your shot to the course , not the other way around . oh and jmho . Mark

[MSchott]

Originally Posted by trickymicky69

Why not just make the green smaller?

I think that from ANYWHERE on the green it should be POSSIBLE that you should be able to make a one putt

Even if that means its very unlikely

With greens like that we would need a BUR stat (bunker in regulation)

I've played courses designed by Alistair MacKenzie with boomerang shaped greens and if your approach lands on the wrong area there is no chance to one putt. There are plenty of greens where you can't one putt if you are on the wrong part of the green. I've seen this on the PGA tour where a player was on the green and couldn't play to the pin without using a wedge.

[parsnates]

I think what people can't accept is that if you are on the wrong side of the bunker you MISSED the green for the way the hole is set up that day.  The fact that it landed on a very smooth tight surface is really incidental.  Actually, it's somewhat of a break.  It could have been in a creek or the heather, etc.  Since you missed the green, why should you still get the "reward" of a potential one putt?  The sense of entitlement over what is clearly a miss is curious.  Chip off the green if you must - and hope the super doesn't catch you, but consider, some misses hurt more than others.  Missing in the right spot is a big part of the game.  If you miss in a spot where you have an easy chip, then par/birdie is still in play.  If you miss in the wrong spot, then it's not.  Just have to get over it and do better next time.

[MSchott]

Originally Posted by parsnates

I think what people can't accept is that if you are on the wrong side of the bunker you MISSED the green for the way the hole is set up that day.  The fact that it landed on a very smooth tight surface is really incidental.  Actually, it's somewhat of a break.  It could have been in a creek or the heather, etc.  Since you missed the green, why should you still get the "reward" of a potential one putt?  The sense of entitlement over what is clearly a miss is curious.  Chip off the green if you must - and hope the super doesn't catch you, but consider, some misses hurt more than others.  Missing in the right spot is a big part of the game.  If you miss in a spot where you have an easy chip, then par/birdie is still in play.  If you miss in the wrong spot, then it's not.  Just have to get over it and do better next time.

Exactly! These are not long par 3's for most of as the 6th at Riviera only plays 144 yards from the white tees. If you are 60 feet away on the other side of the bunker, you missed badly and have to deal with the consequences.

[AlvinD]

There is a course that I played a couple of tomes in Norther California with a par 3 that has a sand trap in the middle of the green.  I like it because it is challenging.  The sand trap to the left of the green and the ravine over the green actually gives me more trouble.  The problem is that I cannot remember the course.  Does anyone know it?

Thanks,

Alvin

[3jacker]

On 4/29/2012 at 6:20 PM, snofrog said:

imho the course is what it is , and it is up to the golfer to navigate what is there . 

^This