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Are we ever going to put women's golf on a par with the men's game?

Women golfers have long faced restrictions at their local courses on what times they could play and which bars they could drink in. Often they were blocked from becoming club captain.

So when Harriet Harman - http://www.harrietharman.org/the-equality-act - introduced the Equality Act to give women more rights in work places and social settings, golf clubs were seen as ripe for reform.

But the drive by Labour's leading feminist seems to have landed in the bunker. Many women golfers say that, following the changes, which have brought an end to men-only tee-off times at many clubs, they now have to pay more for membership.

Although the legislation was passed by Parliament just before last year's election and came into force in October, many of its effects are only now being felt, with golf clubs forced to rewrite their own rule books.

I play in Central Europe and they have the right idea here. Most tournaments are mixed and the only separate distinctions are for Scratch results. The net results are mixed with ladies playing from their tees and the men accordingly from theirs. It works very well and our courses are equally filled with men, women and children. Its a very family orientated sport.

I'm often seen on the course with my female friend playing a round with my Dad and his male friend. How often do you see this in the UK or USA?

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Originally Posted by PeteHurrikane

Are we ever going to put women's golf on a par with the men's game?

Women golfers have long faced restrictions at their local courses on what times they could play and which bars they could drink in. Often they were blocked from becoming club captain.

So when Harriet Harman - http://www.harrietharman.org/the-equality-act - introduced the Equality Act to give women more rights in work places and social settings, golf clubs were seen as ripe for reform.

But the drive by Labour's leading feminist seems to have landed in the bunker. Many women golfers say that, following the changes, which have brought an end to men-only tee-off times at many clubs, they now have to pay more for membership.

Although the legislation was passed by Parliament just before last year's election and came into force in October, many of its effects are only now being felt, with golf clubs forced to rewrite their own rule books.

I play in Central Europe and they have the right idea here. Most tournaments are mixed and the only separate distinctions are for Scratch results. The net results are mixed with ladies playing from their tees and the men accordingly from theirs. It works very well and our courses are equally filled with men, women and children. Its a very family orientated sport.

I'm often seen on the course with my female friend playing a round with my Dad and his male friend. How often do you see this in the UK or USA?

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Doesn't really matter if it's Patrick or not if the subject is worth discussing.

In reply to your post Patrick at my club everything is still Men vs Women, however as there's constantly an "us versus them" mentality where the men complain because the women are slow or the women complain because the men tee off close enough to say 'hurry TF up' I can't see that changing.

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Originally Posted by Dialit

From my experience, most women are slow, terrible, and have poor etiquette. There are exceptions of course.

Women's golf is just a whole different animal to men's golf generally as women are often less competitive. Of the women I've seen out on the course the vast majority play golf to enjoy the fresh air, enjoy the game and enjoy a good chin-wag. I've seen a similar thing with women at martial arts classes where they like to have a good old chat primarily and the learning/practicing takes second place.

Men on the other hand go out to "play golf" and generally everything else takes a back seat; as such they get frustrated when groups of women are dawdling along, chatting, spending ages looking for lost balls and not waving the next group through etc.

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at MY club, it seems that the good golfing girls are the dedicated high school ones. I think if you're girl and you're not pro, you tend to be worse than a non pro man. Exceptions of course. Like above I think women who play just wanna have fun. I mean they're girls right? Ask Cindi Lauper.

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My limited experience with this subject is playing with my wife & her interaction with others on the course.    She's a high handicap but is taking lessons & dramatically improving - and of late, is more motivated than myself to go to the practice range.     She is very conscious as to the seriousness of the game & does not dwaddle.      Golf has been a great thing for our marriage.

Honestly, I think the problem comes in when a group of women get together to golf ... we've all seen what happens when you get a group of women together to do anything - conversation is their first priority (be it consciously or subconsciously), and in the case of golf, the game often becomes secondary.     This is where the frustration comes in with men following them on the course - the group isn't as focused at the task at hand as their male counterparts usually are.

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what? you guys are saying there is a difference between men and women...really?

both gruops are never going to agree fully, that is why Wed is mens day at most clubs and thrusday morning is ladies...i don't see it ever changing. the women that i don't mind playing with are the ones who are confident, move the ball forward and don't play slow. in my opinion there are actually quite a few of them out there when playing a mixed group and do a great job keeping up...unfortunatly they don't function that way in groups of 4!!!

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Originally Posted by PeteHurrikane

Are we ever going to put women's golf on a par with the men's game?

Women golfers have long faced restrictions at their local courses on what times they could play and which bars they could drink in. Often they were blocked from becoming club captain.

So when Harriet Harman - http://www.harrietharman.org/the-equality-act - introduced the Equality Act to give women more rights in work places and social settings, golf clubs were seen as ripe for reform.

But the drive by Labour's leading feminist seems to have landed in the bunker. Many women golfers say that, following the changes, which have brought an end to men-only tee-off times at many clubs, they now have to pay more for membership.

Although the legislation was passed by Parliament just before last year's election and came into force in October, many of its effects are only now being felt, with golf clubs forced to rewrite their own rule books.

I play in Central Europe and they have the right idea here. Most tournaments are mixed and the only separate distinctions are for Scratch results. The net results are mixed with ladies playing from their tees and the men accordingly from theirs. It works very well and our courses are equally filled with men, women and children. Its a very family orientated sport.

I'm often seen on the course with my female friend playing a round with my Dad and his male friend. How often do you see this in the UK or USA?


Must really suck to live somewhere where the government has the power and inclination to regulate social relationships.

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I feel like I have debates in my own head about this subject.  One side, women have fun playing golf, they put money into the game, who are we to stop them from doing something they like.  We shouldn't be unfairly making them pay more or restricting their times to play regardless of how slow they may play, that's also why we have the "bad guy" marshals to speed things up.  The other side, with marshals absent, slow play is annoying and my game would quickly go bad if anybody in front of me is playing very slow and not getting the hint.  Im not saying only women play slow, but I feel the % of women who play slow is higher than the % of men who play slow.  As well, if clubs don't want women at their course, they do have the right to refuse service to someone.  They can come practice all they want, but the club can refuse their money to play (as to my understanding).

Overall, I've been getting more patient and just enjoying myself when I play, and that really is the key.  As long as we are all here to play, enjoy, and respect the game of golf, I'm good.

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Originally Posted by phillyk

We shouldn't be unfairly making them pay more or restricting their times to play...

I understand the original post to mean that at some clubs women were not allowed to play during "premium" tee times and as such were paying a lower annual fee. Now they've been allowed to use those premium tee times as long as they pay the same amount as the men, which of course is more than they pay now and thus "making them pay more".

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I got no problem with women playing... actually I'm trying to get my wife out more. This game needs to do anything it can to grow and restricting women in any sense doesn't seem like a good idea to me.  I'll admit that at times I've been behind some women that play slower than I think they should but that's happened with guys in front of me too... and that's what course marshals are for.

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As far as dealing with women on the course, Ive never had any problems and would have no issue with getting grouped with a woman or even a bunch of women.  Theyre no more or less annoying than men are.

As for the LPGA, its never going to get the same kind of respect that the PGA Tour gets.  The simple fact is that as a whole, womens' sports dont get the respect that they deserve.  People view women as being inferior athletes as compared to men.  You could easily make the argument that they are and for that reason, most people dont care about girls' sports.

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Must really suck to live somewhere where the government has the power and inclination to regulate social relationships.

This is a joke, right?  Ever heard of Title IX, Title X, Americans with Disabilities Act, Amendments 1, 8, 14, 15, 19, or 24?

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