Explain to me why tiger did this

[Old1964]

Originally Posted by sflemon

The actual putter being different has nothing to do with it.  I could argue for the Nike vs. Titleist irons/woods and balls though, there is a difference imho.

$$$ talks when it comes to what clubs pros play.  Nike doesn't make bad stuff by any means, but I refuse to buy anything they make golf related.

The best thing he can do for his game now is realize that he's screwed up his family life and image already, and go find whatever ho he was cheating with when he was winning all the time and run back and beg for more.

Sounds ludicrous, but I think if he went ahead and fully indulges in that again, he WILL win more.

One has to wonder what Tiger is thinking about and feeling when he is playing "poorly" (which is way better than any of us will ever golf). The ability to recover from a bad shot or two...to be centered...confident is tough. If he is continuing to battle feelings of failure and inadequacy (when he leaves an empty house and talks to his kids in Switzerland from time to time and is reminded of all that he was, lost, and became.  That would be incredibly difficult.  It would do serious harm to the "noodle".  Now, after all the press, the $$$ paid to women to talk about him, the book. I'm thinking he can't turn back the hands of time and do what he had been doing again (even if it would regenerate his sense of potency)...can't imagine he could ever blindly trust waitresses, pornstars, and strippers again.  I'm guessing he feels incredibly lonely and isn't able to escape it in any lasting way.  If only a change in his putter or dropping a coach would do the trick.

[joekelly]

It has been said before and i often agree, that for many players the daily golf score is equated to a personal measure of self-worth. In the clubhouse, 'round the bar with the other blokes, the high scoring hacker is scorned. He himself feels total failure, loss of confidence and in sum, a low worth person.  Not totally unlike poverty. The man with big money is king. Tiger has lost a lot; not so much cash as self worth.  It will be difficult for him to find that level of accomplishment and self worth again.

And i did not know Tiger had been shopping for 'ho's.  A euphemism for *****s or prostitutes.  I thought those ladies were only 'friends',  not prostitutes. In many respects he would have been better off with *****s who once paid, depart your life forever.

[newtogolf]

HH might have KNOWN more about Tiger's attitude towards receiving putting advice, but he's no longer his coach and has no idea what his current attitudes are.  I also don't consider HH an unbiased reference on all things Tiger.

Originally Posted by Chas

I think that HH knows more about Tiger's attitude towards receiving putting advice than you do Erik.  I don't think it's even close.

[Chas]

I still maintain that HH has a much better idea than anyone posting on this forum, based on his lengthy direct experience with Tiger.

But I'll say n'more - seeing as I'm in enough trouble with The Authorities already ....

Well said joekelly (#20).  Sad but true.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Chas

I still maintain that HH has a much better idea than anyone posting on this forum, based on his lengthy direct experience with Tiger.

It doesn't change the fact that I posted facts that contradict whatever someone else said. I didn't say I had a "better idea" - I simply posted facts that contradict Hank Haney.

[ERdiesel]

Originally Posted by Chas

I think that HH knows more about Tiger's attitude towards receiving putting advice than you do Erik.  I don't think it's even close.

Just because HH says something is so, does not make it so.  Especially when the guy is still trying to cash in on his former relationship with Tiger.

[Chas]

The best idea you guys have is that Tiger's attitude towards putting advice (which is what I was referring to ....) might have changed markedly from when he was working with HH.  That is of course possible, but HH would still know more about Tiger's thinking NOW than any of youse guys.  His information sources are far superior and he has a basis for interpreting the data that none of us have.

But hey, this is a golfing forum - everyone is way better than the experts in this place.  What was I thinking ....

diesel: what's wrong with making money off of what you know, as long as it's legal?  It the essence of America and it's what drives a large part of the golfing industry.  I'm having a tennis lesson in about an hour and I sure hope some of that knowledge will get transferred, if it isn't too late that is ....

Erik: I agree that certain facts are indisputable.  I thought we were discussing Tiger's attitude towards putting advice - something not easy to reduce to 'data'.

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Chas

Erik: I agree that certain facts are indisputable.  I thought we were discussing Tiger's attitude towards putting advice - something not easy to reduce to 'data'.

We are. I posted facts that contradict Haney's beliefs about Tiger's belief in putting. Pretty simple isn't it?

Maybe Tiger didn't care about listening to others about putting when he was with Hank because he putted well during that time.

[Th3R00st3r]

Originally Posted by poser

He could have putted with a butter knife and still did it.

[newtogolf]

I'm not saying I know more about Tigers swing, my point was HH hasn't been Tigers coach for almost two year and isn't a friend of Tigers so any information he wrote in the book is dated at best.  Since HH, Tiger has completely altered his swing under Foley, so why is it inconceivable that he changed his attitude towards putting since he's been struggling with it?

Originally Posted by Chas

The best idea you guys have is that Tiger's attitude towards putting advice (which is what I was referring to ....) might have changed markedly from when he was working with HH.  That is of course possible, but HH would still know more about Tiger's thinking NOW than any of youse guys.  His information sources are far superior and he has a basis for interpreting the data that none of us have.

But hey, this is a golfing forum - everyone is way better than the experts in this place.  What was I thinking ....

diesel: what's wrong with making money off of what you know, as long as it's legal?  It the essence of America and it's what drives a large part of the golfing industry.  I'm having a tennis lesson in about an hour and I sure hope some of that knowledge will get transferred, if it isn't too late that is ....

Erik: I agree that certain facts are indisputable.  I thought we were discussing Tiger's attitude towards putting advice - something not easy to reduce to 'data'.

[Chas]

It isn't "inconceivable", but HH is IMO more likely to know about changes in Tiger's attitudes, swing etc than us - because he is a much better student of the golfer with a deeper knowledge base. Note that I'm assuming here that HH retains a fairly strong interest in his ex-student. But of course we are all speculating, as usual. If any of you guys are a "friend" of TW, with insider information about his thinking, that would be a different story. Are you?

[iacas]

Originally Posted by Chas

But of course we are all speculating, as usual.

I'm not.

[Chas]

Any comments here about TW's attitude towards putting advice are speculative.  Speculation can be informed by facts (and indeed in conflicting ways at times) but they remain speculative.

I'm not a lawyer but sometimes I sound like one, I know .... [sigh]

We'll have to agree to disagree and move on.  Cheers!

[saevel25]

To me whats killing his swing is his whole game. He just can't put a consistant 4 holes together. They had the 99 US open on last night on the golf channel. His swing was so much more compact and better. He would hit drives with a 3/4 swing and bomb it out there a mile. Now he's constantly at paralle making this huge turn. He had less head movement in 99, he's getting better at that now. But in 99 he knew his swing, and he could hit shots. Now he has no clue what the hell is happening. He needs a big RESET button on his head that clears all the usless cache of golf information that stuck up there. Someone should take him to the range, and right before he takes the club back tells him the shot he should hit. Low Fade, High Draw, Low Straight, just get him feeling the shot again, rather than thinking the shot.

[glock35ipsc]

Originally Posted by k-troop

Maybe a caveat:  it's frequently reported that he seeks out Steve Stricker for putting tips--any evidence that Tiger actually implements anything Stricker tells him?

This seems to indicate that he does/did:

Teammate Steve Stricker gave Tiger "a little lesson" on the putting green, though, and that made a difference on Sunday. Woods said his body position felt more natural, he started seeing his line and could feel the release.

"Whatever he says about putting," Tiger said of Stricker, "I’m going to do."

http://tourreport.pgatour.com/2011/11/20/woods-finally-gets-some-putts-to-fall/

[bunkerputt]

I like the argument that when it comes to his swing, Tiger is flexible and will change it if needed, but when it comes to putting, he's stubborn, figures he's got that part down pat and doesn't need help at all.  It just doesn't make sense that way.  Of course he gets help with his putting.  Why in the world, regardless of who-said-or-knows-what would a tour player trying to win decide he didn't need help on his putting?

[JerryTimes]

Originally Posted by ERdiesel

Just because HH says something is so, does not make it so.  Especially when the guy is still trying to cash in on his former relationship with Tiger.

That's what happens to guys like Tiger when they treat people poorly.

[brocks]

That's what happens to guys like Tiger when they treat people poorly.

You may be half right. But Butch was treated just as "poorly," and he says he wouldn't do what Hank did, so apparently not everything depends on Tiger. Some people are responsible for their own actions.