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Originally Posted by lostmyballs

I've had success the past two times I went to the driving range. I concentrated more on releasing the club/ turning my arms over at impact. It takes a lot of timing, but it works. If I could only give one tip, it would be to concentrate on turning your right hand over your left at the moment of impact. If this doesn't work after five minutes of trying, let me know.

Why would this fix a slice?  What does turning the arms over have to do with creating a path more to the right (for a righty) so the golfer doesn't slice it?

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I have a problem of only slicing my driver and hybrids. Every other club I hit straight or with a draw. I don't know how my driver is the really the only club affected by this. And it's about 50% of the time I hit a slice with my driver, the other 50% its straight or has a draw. I've tried turning my forearms over at impact, it seems to work but I also lose yardage. I've adjusted the club face while in my grip but that doesnt work all the time. I've moved my back foot further away from the ball, doesnt seem to work all the time either. I think I just need to get to the range and concentrate on hitting my driver until I figure it out. it has really affected my scoring, If my drivers were consistently straighter I would be able to shave a few strokes off, luckily my irons, 3 wood, and chipping has been on point recently, keeping my scores in the low 80's high 70's.

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The only time I typically slice a ball is when I don't keep my shoulders square.

If I swing correctly and focus on not turning my shoulders ahead of my club I don't have any problems.  Seems very simple to me but everyone is different.

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Hey Lost My Balls

Learn to use your hands and arms correctly which will control the club-face; do this with 7 iron and hit just 40-80 yards (goal is to start using the club-face, arms and hands properly which will give you a straight divot and ball flight)

1. Make sure your grip is correct, V's pointing to your trailing shoulder (see two-three knuckles on top hand)

2. Takeaway: do not roll hands away, keep left palm looking at target longer before letting wrists hinge up not rolled horizontally.

3. Use a narrow stance with not much effort.

4. Once you have got this going start aiming a little right with feet and shoulders and re-grip the club so the face is hooked (but aiming back at your target). Increase the distance of the shots. Now your hitting hooks!!

PS Keep your stance narrow and let your lower body follow your arms (keep the legs quite).

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Originally Posted by apgolf

4. Once you have got this going start aiming a little right with feet and shoulders and re-grip the club so the face is hooked (but aiming back at your target). Increase the distance of the shots. Now your hitting hooks!!

Yes you'll hit hooks and not draws

Want to make sure we hit draws with the face aiming right of the target.  Face determines initial start line.  Need to start balls right of the target and curve them back to the target.

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Hey mvmac, interested in your thoughts on the below:

I saw a Paul Wilson golf school video where he said (and showed) how he fixes someone's slice by basically doing the following:

-- First, try to hook the ball by rolling the hands super extremely early.

-- Once you can hit these ugly hooks, then forget about your hands/wrists, since now they have the right looseness/feeling, and focus on just turning your body. He's big into forgetting hands and arms and just focusing on turning the body, by touching the knees together.

The idea, I suppose, is that once your body catches up to your hands (which are now releasing properly), you'll start hitting it straight instead of hooking.

Anyway, going off of memory here, may have butchered that explanation, but interested in what you think :).

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Originally Posted by Taylor Campbell

Hey mvmac, interested in your thoughts on the below:

I saw a Paul Wilson golf school video where he said (and showed) how he fixes someone's slice by basically doing the following:

-- First, try to hook the ball by rolling the hands super extremely early.

-- Once you can hit these ugly hooks, then forget about your hands/wrists, since now they have the right looseness/feeling, and focus on just turning your body. He's big into forgetting hands and arms and just focusing on turning the body, by touching the knees together.

The idea, I suppose, is that once your body catches up to your hands (which are now releasing properly), you'll start hitting it straight instead of hooking.

Anyway, going off of memory here, may have butchered that explanation, but interested in what you think :).

To be honest I think the information is incorrect and harmful to someone's golf game.  You can hit a hook that starts right of the target and crosses the target without rolling the face at all.  Rolling the face, turning the toe down, "releasing" has NOTHING to do with curving the ball.  You can not impart any kind of curvature while the ball is in contact with the face, it's a collision, the ball is on the face for a very small amount of time.

I just put this video together to explain how to hit high push draws without any extra effort to roll the forearms.  I'm sure I will want to make edits and change some things with this video but it gets the point across for now.

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Originally Posted by mvmac

Rolling the face, turning the toe down, "releasing" has NOTHING to do with curving the ball.  You can not impart any kind of curvature while the ball is in contact with the face, it's a collision, the ball is on the face for a very small amount of time.

Yeah, I don't think the concept is that you're steering the ball somehow with the clubface.. :)

That said, in practice, if I purposefully roll my wrists way over early on my downswing, the ball does hook, does it not? I'd imagine because you're hitting the ball with the face super closed -- does a closed face hook the ball, or are you saying that has nothing to do with hooking the ball as well?

Anyway, not arguing :P, it's not the way I fixed my slice personally, so it's not a method I'm advocating. Just wanted to clarify what you mean by 'nothing' above.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by apgolf

Hey Lost My Balls

Learn to use your hands and arms correctly which will control the club-face; do this with 7 iron and hit just 40-80 yards (goal is to start using the club-face, arms and hands properly which will give you a straight divot and ball flight)

1. Make sure your grip is correct, V's pointing to your trailing shoulder (see two-three knuckles on top hand)

2. Takeaway: do not roll hands away, keep left palm looking at target longer before letting wrists hinge up not rolled horizontally.

3. Use a narrow stance with not much effort.

4. Once you have got this going start aiming a little right with feet and shoulders and re-grip the club so the face is hooked (but aiming back at your target). Increase the distance of the shots. Now your hitting hooks!!

PS Keep your stance narrow and let your lower body follow your arms (keep the legs quite).

This is almost exactly what I did, word for word, and my slice is, for the most part corrected. I am now working on increasing my distance without losing these fundamentals.

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Originally Posted by Taylor Campbell

Yeah, I don't think the concept is that you're steering the ball somehow with the clubface.. :)

That said, in practice, if I purposefully roll my wrists way over early on my downswing, the ball does hook, does it not? I'd imagine because you're hitting the ball with the face super closed -- does a closed face hook the ball, or are you saying that has nothing to do with hooking the ball as well?

Anyway, not arguing :P, it's not the way I fixed my slice personally, so it's not a method I'm advocating. Just wanted to clarify what you mean by 'nothing' above.

Thanks!

Depends on the face/path relationship.  If the face is closed to the path the ball will draw or hook.  So a draw we want to hit, the face would be aimed right of the target (let's say 2*) and the path would be out 4*.  Ball starts right of the target and draws back.

I could have the face super closed (aimed left) of the target and hit a straight pull, pull hook or a pull cut.

Just some examples with the face being the same at impact

Straight pull: face left 3*, path left 3*

Pull Hook: face left 3*, path 0

Pull Cut: face left 3*, path left 6*

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Originally Posted by mvmac

Depends on the face/path relationship.  If the face is closed to the path the ball will draw or hook.  So a draw we want to hit, the face would be aimed right of the target (let's say 2*) and the path would be out 4*.  Ball starts right of the target and draws back.

I could have the face super closed (aimed left) of the target and hit a straight pull, pull hook or a pull cut.

Just some examples with the face being the same at impact

Straight pull: face left 3*, path left 3*

Pull Hook: face left 3*, path 0

Pull Cut: face left 3*, path left 6*

Gotcha, yeah, makes total sense that the path/face relationship is what steers the ball. Guess the idea is that the slicer would be making a consistent swing (path-wise) and slicing, so by rolling (closing the face) and making the same swing, he could hook the ball, and from there focus on body turn to straighten the ball flight.

I suppose the better option would be to fix the swing path?

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Taylor Campbell

Gotcha, yeah, makes total sense that the path/face relationship is what steers the ball. Guess the idea is that the slicer would be making a consistent swing (path-wise) and slicing, so by rolling (closing the face) and making the same swing, he could hook the ball, and from there focus on body turn to straighten the ball flight.

I suppose the better option would be to fix the swing path?

Thanks!

And he could slice it by rolling the club face.  All closing the club face guarantees is that the ball will start left.  The more we roll, the more the handle of the club will stay back.  We can see some tour players rotate the forearms more than others but the left wrist is flat at impact.

Just try it right now.  Roll your forearms the most on the downswing, obviously doing this in slow.  Where is the handle?  Now Mimic impact with a flat left wrist, the handle should be forward, that is a big part to hitting a playable draw.

Draw vs Cut 1.jpg

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I started setting up and swinging just like Ryan Moore. I would watch slo-mo video and practice all his key positions. Something about his swing felt right for me. Slicing is gone, occasional snap hook though.

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Believe it or not... i bought a new driver.  I was using an old ratty hand-me-down that i had been using for like 8 years (I am 22 so that means i used that club as a 14 year old).  I went with a Burner superfast 2.0 and tada the slice was gone.

I think that the longer club (the burner 2.0 is a few inches longer than a standard driver length) caused me to hit the ball closer to the center of the face.  I seemed to hit a lot of shots off the toe and with an open face. Also the burner is a bit of a closed face which helped.  I don't slice at all anymore.  Most are a bit right to left, a few are really bad hooks, and even fewer are perfect straight down the fairway .

Anyway, maybe making sure the driver is long enough is a good plan?  ALl i know is I am happy that i don't have to aim at a 50 degree angle to get my ball in the fairway anymore! :D

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Thanks for the tips, mvmac. I have hit a few draws trying your advice. But I can't really control how much they draw, and I must admit I'm afraid that I'll hit one that won't draw back, and will land where my slice would have landed anyway.

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Most people slice because they dont have the proper fitted clubs to play with. The other is that they swing to fast and hard. Slow down, stop the swing a little short, and keep that head behind the ball thru impact.

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Originally Posted by Blacksheep

Most people slice because they dont have the proper fitted clubs to play with. The other is that they swing to fast and hard. Slow down, stop the swing a little short, and keep that head behind the ball thru impact.

Where else would the club head be after impact?

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