Playing Concepts versus Swing Mechanics.

[Mordan]

Originally Posted by logman

And on the subject of predictability, well, I think I'm one of the few on here that is trying an "alternative" swing method(for good or bad) and I think maybe someone might be interested in hearing the pro's and cons of what I'm seeing........Is that of no interest to you?

See if it was just relating personal experiences of trying different swing methods then I don't think anyone would jump on Patrick or Ocean. But they don't come in and say hey guys this is what I've been trying lately, it seems to be working for me. Here are some numbers/videos/analysis before and after so you can all see what I'm talking about.

They come in, don't read anything on the site before posting and basically start preaching, telling everyone how they should approach golf, how they should swing the club, telling everyone else that they're wrong and then not engaging in any actual debate or discussion and that is not a constructive or useful way to do things.

[logman]

Originally Posted by Mordan

See if it was just relating personal experiences of trying different swing methods then I don't think anyone would jump on Patrick or Ocean. But they don't come in and say hey guys this is what I've been trying lately, it seems to be working for me. Here are some numbers/videos/analysis before and after so you can all see what I'm talking about.

They come in, don't read anything on the site before posting and basically start preaching, telling everyone how they should approach golf, how they should swing the club, telling everyone else that they're wrong and then not engaging in any actual debate or discussion and that is not a constructive or useful way to do things.

People have other views to you and express them differently, that doesn't effect you or challenge your spot here does it?

[iacas]

Originally Posted by logman

Geez, we're still all trying to flog this 5 simple dvd stuff. It's like every frikken subject gets highjacked into a infomercial.

Patrick57 brought it up. Nobody else had said a thing about it.

"But wait, there's more!!!" (<---- infomercial joke)

Originally Posted by logman

I'm just saying, is it a forum or is it a vehicle for the owners to sell stuff? So i can criticise every other thing in golf apart from the products of the owners. That's a bit dull. And a bit precious.

I love how deluded people can get.

You started this thread: http://thesandtrap.com/t/60553/commonalities-of-pros-maybe-not/ . You criticized things plenty there. It hasn't been deleted, and won't be. You're free to criticize what you like (not other people, but what they say is fine). You should be aware by now that "free to criticize" doesn't mean "everyone will agree with you."

And fwiw, I think we do very little "selling" of stuff, particularly given the amount of information we share freely.

Originally Posted by logman

And on the subject of predictability, well, I think I'm one of the few on here that is trying an "alternative" swing method(for good or bad) and I think maybe someone might be interested in hearing the pro's and cons of what I'm seeing........Is that of no interest to you?

You've gone about telling people about this "alternative" swing in a very poor fashion. Where's your swing video? Your threads talking about LPG are more about attacking other things rather than sharing what makes your "alternative" swing method so great.

Originally Posted by Mordan

See if it was just relating personal experiences of trying different swing methods then I don't think anyone would jump on Patrick or Ocean. But they don't come in and say hey guys this is what I've been trying lately, it seems to be working for me. Here are some numbers/videos/analysis before and after so you can all see what I'm talking about.

They come in, don't read anything on the site before posting and basically start preaching, telling everyone how they should approach golf, how they should swing the club, telling everyone else that they're wrong and then not engaging in any actual debate or discussion and that is not a constructive or useful way to do things.

Yep. I see it similarly.

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I'm comfortable with my understanding of the golf swing. I'm happy to debate it with anyone. But debates are best when they have facts, not "you guys suck, my way is great because I say so, you're all being duped!" That doesn't serve anyone. A BIG part of what's made us (Golf Evolution) successful and knowledgeable is that we debate things internally all the time. We question ourselves. We don't say "we have this right, we're so great." We say "what flaws do we still have in our understanding? How can we improve what we know?" We joke about "busting things up" all the time, but the truth of the matter is we try to bust our own things up all the time.

Some people seem to have a lot of hate in them. That's unfortunate.

[reedf]

I saw a guy at the range yesterday using the LPG swing! Looked exactly like the video! I caught him out of the corner of my eye as I was about to leave and had to stop and watch for a few since this LPG has been a topic lately. This guy was indeed hitting his driver very straight shot after shot, but as I expected from watching the LPG video, his drives were consistently landing all the way out PAST the 100 yd marker!

[logman]

Originally Posted by reedf

I saw a guy at the range yesterday using the LPG swing! Looked exactly like the video! I caught him out of the corner of my eye as I was about to leave and had to stop and watch for a few since this LPG has been a topic lately. This guy was indeed hitting his driver very straight shot after shot, but as I expected from watching the LPG video, his drives were consistently landing all the way out PAST the 100 yd marker!

the way your hitting your driver you should have asked for a lesson