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Originally Posted by iacas

I figured you'd bite. Didn't figure you'd be rude about it though.

Guess what? My "Open" says "Open Championship" right on the trophy.

The recent push to rename the British Open as the snooty "Open Championship" as if it's the "open" for the entire world is just that - recent. You guys needed some Americans (namely Arnie) to liven your event back up a bit.

Now for some common sense: your "Open Championship" is the national open of wherever you live. The PGA Championship is called that here, while overseas, it's often called the US PGA Championship. Just as your "open tournament" is called the British Open. I know Canadians who call the thing after the British Open "the Open" because, to them, it is their national open.

But none of that's the topic here, and being an admin has its privileges: I get the last word in this thread on the name of the British Open.  (Find one of the existing threads where people argue about that and revive it if you'd like.)

I was curious why this year - here in the US... ESPN referred to it as the Open Championship.  I always remember in previous years (maybe I missed a year or two??) - it was always referred as the British Open.

I guess I'm an ignorant American?

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Originally Posted by Beachcomber

I was curious why this year - here in the US... ESPN referred to it as the Open Championship.  I always remember in previous years (maybe I missed a year or two??) - it was always referred as the British Open.

I guess I'm an ignorant American?

The name of the tournament is "The Open Championship". It was the first of the majors, so it didn't need to specify. Americans call it "The British Open" sometimes because we are so egocentric about ourselves.

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Originally Posted by pixel5

The name of the tournament is "The Open Championship". It was the first of the majors, so it didn't need to specify. Americans call it "The British Open" sometimes because we are so egocentric about ourselves.

Americans don't call the US Open the 'Open Championship'. We call it the US Open. If we were as egocentric as you imply, wouldn't you think we'd refer to our Open as The Open Championship?

Calling it the British Open is, to me, just a means to differentiate it from the US Open by some. I don't think it has to do with egocentricity.

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Originally Posted by iacas

Guess what? My "Open" says "Open Championship" right on the trophy.

But none of that's the topic here, and being an admin has its privileges: I get the last word in this thread on the name of the British Open.  (Find one of the existing threads where people argue about that and revive it if you'd like.)

Good old Erik. True to form.

You can always rely on a Yank to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted ; so keep on exhausting those possibilities until you finally realise that the Open Championship always has been just the Open Championship.

Now, like most other stuff, this has proven to be too complicated over there where Hollywood is reality and real life just a dream, so you have to dumb it down by explaining to your countrymen that it is not the US Open being referred to but the British Open.

However, that in itself does not retitle the event and it remains "the Open Championship" until such time as the R&A; rather than the American public choose to rename it - so don't hold your breath. On second thoughts.............

Nevertheless, we can still all be friends.

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Originally Posted by zipazoid

Americans don't call the US Open the 'Open Championship'. We call it the US Open. If we were as egocentric as you imply, wouldn't you think we'd refer to our Open as The Open Championship?

Calling it the British Open is, to me, just a means to differentiate it from the US Open by some. I don't think it has to do with egocentricity.

What he said.

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As stated in my earlier post... ESPN is the primary broadcast company here in the US - which airs 'The Open Championship'.  They often refer to it as the British Open - as can be heard and seen in the following clip.  I guess the folks over at Disney are ultimately responsible for this ignorance?

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There is a Welsh Open, a Scottish Open and an Irish Open but alas, no British Open. The so called British Open is often mistakenly called so by ignorant Americans (Nevets88) who are not bright enough to differentiate between the US Open and the one held across "The pond" in Britain, The Open Championship.

[quote name="pixel5" url="/t/61371/americans-shouting/0_30#post_758145"] The name of the tournament is "The Open Championship". It was the first of the majors, so it didn't need to specify. Americans call it "The British Open" sometimes because we are so egocentric about ourselves. [/quote] [quote name="Jimmy3putts" url="/t/61371/americans-shouting/0_30#post_758057"]Actually it is called "The Open". [/quote] Seriously guys? I'm the one with the ego? [quote name="burner" url="/t/61371/americans-shouting/0_30#post_758149"] You can always rely on a Yank to do the right thing, [U]once all other possibilities have been exhausted[/U]; so keep on exhausting those possibilities until you finally realise that the Open Championship always has been just the Open Championship. [/quote] Officially? Yeah, sure. But do a search on here any you'll find dozens of posts explaining how the push for it to be called singularly "The Open Championship," on both sides of the pond, is fairly recent.

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The U.S. Open is referred to as "the Open" sometimes.

I think Ken Venture said "My God I've won the Open."

I think Tin Cup called it "the Open" too.

Every country has their own "Open."

The push for the British Open to be called "The Open Championship" is pretty recent. For a few decades it wasn't really all that important. It was still a major only because nothing else took its place. It didn't attract the best fields until Arnie and others popularized it. Ben Hogan only played it once.

That's all I'm saying.

Edit: Oops. Seriously though, back on topic now.

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British or no British, I don't care what it's called I just want to hoist that goddamn Jug.

As for the topic of the thread, I don't really have a problem with it either. People can yell what they like, but sometimes it's dumb. The go in the hole crap is the worst--on a par 3 it's fine, but those long holes it seems rather silly. But that's how we Americans are...just a little bit silly.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy3putts

There is a Welsh Open, a Scottish Open and an Irish Open but alas, no British Open. The so called British Open is often mistakenly called so by ignorant Americans (Nevets88) who are not bright enough to differentiate between the US Open and the one held across "The pond" in Britain, The Open Championship. We gave you this wonderful game and look what you are doing to it. You know, the same sort of people who shout "get in the hole" while standing with their super-sized coke resting on their even bigger waist lines at the tee of a par 5. Invading greens in The Ryder Cup, giving us The circus (JD), War on the Shore..... need I go on? No, I won't.

Incidently Netvets88, check out the attendance figures for this years Open Championship.

Look what we are doing to it?  I hope you're not going to argue that Americans are bad for the game.  That's just ignorant.  It would still be played by a select group of puffed-up knobs if it weren't for Francis Ouimet and Harry Vardon (both great golfers and great human beings).  I know Vardon was English, but he wasn't royalty.

Oh, and go ahead and make a crack about how fat we are, we'll go ahead and own that.  If we weren't so fat we probably would have rolled into London and taken every single medal offered instead of just dominating the games (as we always do) and making it our own personal curb stomping of the rest of the world.

Regarding the original point of this thread.  I hate those losers. They're trying to get their lame asses on TV.  They should just shut the hell up.  It's the same idiots who dress up and go to basketball games and yell at the players (Cameron Indoor is the worst).  They're trying to gravy train a sporting event to get some feeble recognition.  I don't want to look at them or listen to them.  I want to watch the golf/basketball whatever.

Oh, and if the R & A wants to call their tournament the Open, that's what I'm going to call it.  They can name it whatever they want.  It's their tournament with a fantastic storied history.  It's one of the great sporting events of the year.  Not just a great golf tournament.  If Augusta wanted to change the name of thier tournament to say, the Experts, what would we do?  Keep calling it the Masters?

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Originally Posted by CraiginKSA

They're trying to get their lame asses on TV.  They should just shut the hell up.  It's the same idiots who dress up and go to basketball games and yell at the players (Cameron Indoor is the worst).  They're trying to gravy train a sporting event to get some feeble recognition.  I don't want to look at them or listen to them.  I want to watch the golf/basketball whatever.

What ever happened to just wearing a rainbow wig or quietly holding a John 3:16 sign? Is "Mashed Potatoes" the new rainbow wig?

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Originally Posted by Jimmy3putts

There is a Welsh Open, a Scottish Open and an Irish Open but alas, no British Open. The so called British Open is often mistakenly called so by ignorant Americans (Nevets88) who are not bright enough to differentiate between the US Open and the one held across "The pond" in Britain, The Open Championship. We gave you this wonderful game and look what you are doing to it. You know, the same sort of people who shout "get in the hole" while standing with their super-sized coke resting on their even bigger waist lines at the tee of a par 5. Invading greens in The Ryder Cup, giving us The circus (JD), War on the Shore..... need I go on? No, I won't.

Incidently Netvets88, check out the attendance figures for this years Open Championship.

Wow. You try to stereotype "Americans" in that negative "Fat, loud, obnoxious" category so hard. The problem is, you're fitting a few stereotypes yourself. The problem with stereotypes are that they are not offensive to people who actually do have enough intelligence to consider the source. I can identify you as an individual fool and not attack "the English" as a whole.

Quick, off-topic but somewhat related, history fact.

The United States of America entered World War II in December of 1941 and practically gave London back to England with the help of allies, literally shortening the war unquestionably and nearly single handed. We also have leased many Naval Destroyers to the UK and gave thousands upon thousands of tons of warfare equipment, industrial infrastructure, machines used in trade-skill, railroads, aircraft, etc. The least that you could do is "allow us" to play your invitation only sport, I suppose.

Don't be so hard on "us Americans" for having some fun and freshening up an otherwise snooty sport with a few laughs and shouts. Hearing "Mashed Potato!" in your country is a hell of a lot better than the German you would hear, no?

Back on topic:

You're right. Look at what we are doing to "your sport that you gave us". We're bringing life back to it and bringing in youth and awareness to an otherwise declining interest. Us damn yanks are awful.

Oh, remember to thank that loud, fat, obnoxious American Arnold Palmer for his help as well....

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Originally Posted by TourSpoon

What ever happened to just wearing a rainbow wig or quietly holding a John 3:16 sign? Is "Mashed Potatoes" the new rainbow wig?

Yes.

I predict that in a few years the rainbow wig and John 3:16 will make a comeback. Things tend to go on a 20- or 30-year cycle right?

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Originally Posted by CraiginKSA

If Augusta wanted to change the name of thier tournament to say, the Experts, what would we do?  Keep calling it the Masters?

Good post.  And, obviously, if they changed the name to the Experts, people would call it the Experts.  (Except your old fashioned "purists" like my dad who still insists on calling it "Jack Murphy Stadium.")

But I have a better question ... what would you call it if the Masters instisted on changing the name to "The Golf Tournament?"

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To return to the topic at hand, I think that the shouting is silly when people yell something that doesn't have any relation to golf, like "Mashed Potatoes!".  I'm not a big fan of "Get in the Hole" or "You Da Man!" either, but unfortunately it looks like they're here to stay.  I love the game and think that the shouts are simply attention getting tactics by people who may have had too much to drink or just feel the need to draw attention to themselves because they're just too insecure to not be the "life of the party" and enjoy the game for what it is.

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