• Announcements

    • iacas

      Introducing TST "Clubs!"   08/28/2017

      No, we're not getting into the equipment business, but we do have "clubs" here on TST now. Groups. Check them out here:


  • Want to join this community?

    We'd love to have you!

    Sign Up
  • 2017 TST Partners

    Talamore Golf Resort
    PING Golf
    FlightScope Mevo
    Mission Belt
    Snell Golf
    Frogger Golf
    PitchFix USA
  • Posts

    • I'd just ignore the conversion chart and stick to the normal fitting process with the first chart. Like you said, stick to the numbers, not what the color label is.  That conversion chart almost seems backwards. Its weird.  Maybe the new std black dot is a different lie angle from before?
    • The rep didn't tell me "black dot." The factory did when I tried to order "-1 inch" and "purple." They said "using the new conversion chart she's black dot now." But if black is just lie angle, why is she -1"/black and not -1"/red or -1"/orange? Why did -1"/purple (-1.5°) become -1"/black (0°??)?
    • Perhaps the rep that told you black dot is just looking at stock measurements ( like diagram 1). I always gamed ping irons and thought the dot is only lie angle. Not sure if that helps.
    • The reason it's hard to get an objective assessment on golf balls is this...most players aren't sure what to look for when testing different models, plus there is a lot of misinformation that is posted online or well-meaning advice that is simply incorrect, which makes it very confusing. The truth of the matter is what ball works best for me, or the ball that my buddy likes, may not be a good ball for you at all.  There are so many variables, not to mention personal preference, that the ball you chose should be based off of your swing/launch conditions, not someone else. I have conducted thousands of golf ball fittings for players of all types and skill levels, and I can tell you a few things based on my experience: The golf ball will make a bigger difference for a mid to high handicapper than it will for a Tour pro.  I know...this is the opposite of what everybody thinks and what "conventional wisdom" is, but it's true.  How can this be?  The reason is due to our "tendencies".  All players have tendencies...for example, my tendency is to hit the ball a little low and under-spin it, which reduces my carry distance.  Some players have a tendency to hit a slice.  Whatever it might be, we all have them.  The difference between amateurs and Tour pros is their tendencies are much smaller and occur less often.  Because they are more consistent, and have the ability to control their spin and trajectory, the differences in golf balls for them is measured in fractions.  Since their trajectory is very efficient already, the difference between models is like splitting hairs. This is what a pro's numbers might look like: On the other hand, there can be a significant difference for amateurs.  When a player is using the opposite type of ball they need, it's not unusual to see 20+ yards of difference when they hit a ball that fits them correctly.  Going back to my personal example of having a tendency to hit the ball low with not enough backspin, if I chose a ball that was designed to launch low with low spin (like the Bridgestone e7 for example) it would exaggerate my tendency and cause my shots to fly even lower and spin even less.  A ball that will reduce our tendencies will produce noticeably better results.  Here is a typical amateur's numbers: Higher spin doesn't save players as many shots as they think.  In fact, high spin ball cost many amateurs more shots than it saves them.  Spin can be your friend or your enemy.  The trick is to have the correct amount...not too much and not too little.  The more your shots spin, the more everything gets exaggerated.  If you hit a fade, more spin will turn it into a slice.  In windy conditions, a higher spin ball gets pushed around more.  On miss hits, a higher spin ball will curve more, lose more distance, and have an overall larger loss in performance.  One thing I hear a lot is players wanting a high spin ball so they can "throw it at the hole" and make it stop for a short putt.  If you're good enough to wedge it close and make the ball check for an easy up-and-down, then you're good enough to pick another 4 1/4" target on the green about 10' short of the hole and play a lower spinning model.  I'm not saying spin isn't important, because it is, but the majority of players can't control how much spin they put on the ball, and the majority of players spin the ball more than they ideally should. I'm not going to tell you which ball to play, because I don't know.  Telling you which ball I play won't help because you might not swing like I do.  I know choosing a ball is confusing...there are dozens of models on the market, and they all are at least a little different.  I did this for a living full-time, and it was a challenge for me to keep up with everything, so it's almost impossible for the average consumer to know how all the different models stack up with each other.  I encourage you to do your initial testing with a launch monitor, and ideally with the help of an experienced ball fitting tech who can analyze and explain the data.  A launch monitor will save a lot of time and guesswork.  Two different models that go the same distance doesn't mean there isn't a difference. One ball might have carried 230 yds and rolled out 20 yds, and the other might have carried 180 and rolled out 70.  This is a bit exaggerated of course, but my point is even though they went the same distance, one of them is much more efficient than the other and day-in and day-out perform better. If you have to carry a bunker at the corner of a dogleg 200 yds out, one of those balls does it easily, the other doesn't.  When you have it narrowed down to one or two choices, follow up with some on-course testing.  Remember...most expensive doesn't necessarily = best, and more spin doesn't necessarily = lower scores.  When you're dialed in, that's your ball...don't switch around and use whatever ball you happen to grab.  Playing the correct ball all the time will create more consistency.   That is all.  As you were!  
    • A variation of the old "walk and swat" drill, where you start walking down a line of balls swinging back and forth with an ever increasing pendulum, not even stopping along the way, develop a rythym to your stride, step, sweep, step sweep. You will be surprized at your accuracy and won't miss a single ball.  The prior "friend" drop thing is an out take from the film "Bagger Vance" (Will Smith) where he had the player close his eyes while putting and imagining the ball going into the cup. After a few shadow swings, Bagger placed a ball in the path, and the player made the shot.
  • Blog Entries

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. KingHack82
      KingHack82
      (35 years old)
    2. TobyC
      TobyC
      (50 years old)
  • Get Great Gear with Amazon