2012 Ryder Cup Discussion Thread

[Golfingdad]

Originally Posted by jimdandy

Congratulating someone is different in every situation.

When the "game" means nothing....like in your tony gwynn clip. That was in August, 1999 @ Montreal.

That year Expos finished 35 games out. Padres 26 games out. There were about 23 fans in the park.

But when something spectacular is done, and the game is meaningful? You will never ever ever see the other team showing support, applause. Heck, have you ever seen another golfer ever ever do it??

Now you are just moving the goal posts.

As far as seeing other golfers do it ... ummm ... how about EVERY SINGLE TIME a guy gets a hole in one?  Do they not get high fives from all playing partners and caddies present?

[misty_mountainhop]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

Honesty is ridiculous now?

In this case? Absolutely. Not least because this is remote from 'honesty'. I refer you to:

Originally Posted by Monte the Bear

What a crock. Ya know what's responsible for it? Europe winning. And the on-course booze. And morons. On both sides.

Seve Ballesteros never called anything 'a war on the shore' or wore army camoflage kit. He didn't arrive on course looking like a dick in cavalry hat. He didn't conduct town hall meetings for the spectators prior to the tournament.

Jeez.

[misty_mountainhop]

Originally Posted by phan52

Wrong. He's an arrogant prick to think that he can tell Love how to run his team, and Love is a wimp for letting him do it. And I would certaily tell him to his fat face, given the chance. What's he gonna do, hit me with his 64 degree wedge?

I doubt it as he's probably got more class than that. Sounds like you might need it though.

[Joakim]

Originally Posted by MSchott

Once again, focusing on what happened (especially when no one other than Phil and Davis know what they talked about) on Saturday when the day ended 10-6 in favor of the US is foolish. The story is what happened on Sunday when Europe made huge putts and the US did not. It's as simple as that, internet tough guy.

Phil admits it on TV, click http://www.golfchannel.com/media/live-from-2012-sunday-feature-4/ Check mate.

[malincanada]

Originally Posted by k-troop

Anyone else worried for the US team tomorrow?  Half our guys haven't played the 17th or 18th holes yet.

Awesome!

[Chas]

Wrong. He's an arrogant prick to think that he can tell Love how to run his team, and Love is a wimp for letting him do it. And I would certaily tell him to his fat face, given the chance. What's he gonna do, hit me with his 64 degree wedge?

Does this sort of talk pass as golf analysis among your buddies at the course? DL3 didn't "let him do" anything. He (DL3) made a decision based on the available information from players and other sources. That was his job. You on the other hand are making a foolish judgement based on inadequate information. You're such a tough guy .... on the internet. Dime a dozen. If you expressed your views to DL3 and PM to their faces they would probably laugh in your face, or pity you your ignorance, or both. What would the tough guy do then? U.S. RC golfers surely don't deserve "supporters" like you regardless of how they play on a given day.

[Joakim]

Originally Posted by sean_miller

No, you're just doing selective reading. Since when is A-Rod respected?

Answer one question. WOULD THE EURO TEAM HAVE DONE THAT IN EUROPE. Their fans boo us, call Tiger athe "N" word,  throw things at us. If one of their players did what Phil did the Brits fans would SLAM him for the rest his life.

We need more fire and less Bi-partisan, that's why they call it home field advantage, which applies in all sports.

[Shorty]

Originally Posted by Joakim

Answer one question. WOULD THE EURO TEAM HAVE DONE THAT IN EUROPE. Their fans boo us, call Tiger athe "N" word,  throw things at us. If one of their players did what Phil did the Brits fans would SLAM him for the rest his life.

We need more fire and less Bi-partisan, that's why they call it home field advantage, which applies in all sports.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by Joakim

Quote:

Originally Posted by sean_miller

No, you're just doing selective reading. Since when is A-Rod respected?

Answer one question. WOULD THE EURO TEAM HAVE DONE THAT IN EUROPE. Their fans boo us, call Tiger athe "N" word,  throw things at us. If one of their players did what Phil did the Brits fans would SLAM him for the rest his life.

We need more fire and less Bi-partisan, that's why they call it home field advantage, which applies in all sports.

Is this still about baseball? That's specifically what you've quoted - a baseball comment.

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by misty_mountainhop

Quote:

Originally Posted by sean_miller

Honesty is ridiculous now?

In this case? Absolutely. Not least because this is remote from 'honesty'. I refer you to:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monte the Bear

What a crock. Ya know what's responsible for it? Europe winning. And the on-course booze. And morons. On both sides.

Seve Ballesteros never called anything 'a war on the shore' or wore army camoflage kit. He didn't arrive on course looking like a dick in cavalry hat. He didn't conduct town hall meetings for the spectators prior to the tournament.

Jeez.

Sorry, what in his comment proves Seve wasn't a jerk? He sure was when I was young(er). At least that's how I recall the Ryder Cups playing out pre-1991.

[k-troop]

jimdandy, phan52, and Joakim are all the same person, right?  This is like a bad movie that just doesn't end.

[Joakim]

Originally Posted by Joakim

Originally Posted by sean_miller

No, you're just doing selective reading. Since when is A-Rod respected?

Answer one question. WOULD THE EURO TEAM HAVE DONE THAT IN EUROPE. Their fans boo us, call Tiger athe "N" word, throw things at us. If one of their players did what Phil did the Brits fans would SLAM him for the rest his life.

We need more fire and less Bi-partisan, that's why they call it home field advantage, which applies in all sports.

Is this still about baseball? That's specifically what you've quoted - a baseball comment.

Would you like me to send you my daughters old books, "Books for Kids age 2"? Or maybe watch Golf Channel as they refer to it as home field advantage.

Or maybe you have a problem with common  sense as I stated "it's not done in Europe"

So to help you out here, No this not about baseball.

[Chas]

Here's an interesting comment by Jason Sobel (Golf Channel site).  He makes a good point - certainly they were all hitting it long and/or left on the 17th but that deepening pond on the right front would scare the heck out of me - not these guys with a 7i or something in their hands one would hope.  It depends on your state of confidence I suppose, which by that point was pretty low on the american side unfortunately.  Playing too conservatively at that point?

Of course if Furyk or Stricker had gone wet on the 17th then DL3 would have had to take responsibility - it cuts both ways.

What do people think?

Sobel :

"I don't have a problem with many of the decisions made by Davis Love III. If just one player had turned his L into a W on Sunday, the captain would be hailed as a conquering hero and we'd instead be second-guessing his European counterpart right now.

The truth is, I thought Love did a very good job from a tactical and managerial standpoint. The only major issue I had relates to advice.

One by one Sunday afternoon, players approached the 17th and 18th holes for either the first time or one of the first times all week. And one by one, they went long and/or left approaching each green.

In a regular PGA Tour event, competitors are limited to advice only from their own caddies. At the Ryder Cup, the captains are free to dole out warnings anytime they wish.

Love should have taken advantage of that. By the time such decisive matches as the ones involving Jim Furyk and Steve Stricker reached the final hole, he should have been walking down the fairway with them saying, "Everyone's gone long here all day. Keep in mind your adrenaline and take one club less." Or once they were in such a predicament, Love could have offered, "Yes, that putt from the back of the green is very quick, but it doesn't break nearly as much as you think."

There is a difference between individual tournaments and team competition. Love had an opportunity to take advantage of that difference, but didn't."

[jimdandy]

Originally Posted by Chas

Does this sort of talk pass as golf analysis among your buddies at the course?

DL3 didn't "let him do" anything. He (DL3) made a decision based on the available information from players and other sources. That was his job. You on the other hand are making a foolish judgement based on inadequate information.

You're such a tough guy .... on the internet. Dime a dozen. If you expressed your views to DL3 and PM to their faces they would probably laugh in your face, or pity you your ignorance, or both. What would the tough guy do then? U.S. RC golfers surely don't deserve "supporters" like you regardless of how they play on a given day.

He absolutely did. Go watch the press conference....its right there!!

Mickelson told him...."do not play us"

Watch the video, before you respond and you will see Davis's emotions....pissed that he didn't go along with his gut, and allow Phil to convince him otherwise.

[jimdandy]

Originally Posted by k-troop

jimdandy, phan52, and Joakim are all the same person, right?  This is like a bad movie that just doesn't end.

Then don't read. Simple.

Bye

[Joakim]

Originally Posted by k-troop

jimdandy, phan52, and Joakim are all the same person, right?  This is like a bad movie that just doesn't end.

If you want to rerun the Ryder bad movie, match play is on Golf channel right now PST.

[Joakim]

Originally Posted by Joakim

If you want to rerun the Ryder bad movie, match play is on Golf channel right now PST.

Phil just missed 5 foot to go two up on 15 on GC. Sad..

[sean_miller]

Originally Posted by Joakim

Originally Posted by Joakim

Quote:

Originally Posted by sean_miller

No, you're just doing selective reading. Since when is A-Rod respected?

Answer one question. WOULD THE EURO TEAM HAVE DONE THAT IN EUROPE. Their fans boo us, call Tiger athe "N" word, throw things at us. If one of their players did what Phil did the Brits fans would SLAM him for the rest his life.

We need more fire and less Bi-partisan, that's why they call it home field advantage, which applies in all sports.

Is this still about baseball? That's specifically what you've quoted - a baseball comment.

Would you like me to send you my daughters old books, "Books for Kids age 2"? Or maybe watch Golf Channel as they refer to it as home field advantage.

Or maybe you have a problem with common  sense as I stated "it's not done in Europe"

So to help you out here, No this not about baseball.

You're quoting my comment about A-Rod exactly why?